Dipstick temperature gauge - Page 2

ob1 · 11-05-2006, 05:26 PM

Nice find, hadnt seen them before!

amc31b · 11-06-2006, 11:55 PM

Wrapping the exuast header does sound like a good idea though. Who cares if it is ugly, the whole bike is pretty ugly. If you dont like it, just unwrap it.

amc31b · 11-17-2006, 05:30 PM

I picked up a roll of 1"x15' header wrap and the locking ties that go with it. I wrapped it real tight, overlapped half the width of the last wrap, then let it run for a while to heat up, last I rinsed off the powder that is on it. It did give me a little bit of a burnt smell but after the rinsing it stops. I do notice the engine is running about 10-25 degrees cooler acording to my stick-on thermometers. It is about 60 degrees outside in NC and after about 30 minutes of stead riding my temperature was about 240 Farienhight with out the wrap, After the the wrap and 30 minutes of riding it was about 223 F. I also notice quite a bit more throttle responce. It is pretty ugly, but it's only noticable up close. 15 feet wasnt enough though, there was about 4" of header near the carb that couldnt get wrapped. Overal, I would consider this a good idea. Especially if you live where it is hot and your engine runs even hotter than normal.

VFRFLYER · 11-17-2006, 08:45 PM

Wow good info thanks for sharing your experiment with us. question how much did you actually wrap? from the head to carb or did you skip and restart behind the carb... ob1 your thoughts on how far you should wrap?

ob1 · 11-17-2006, 09:01 PM

I wrap from the head to past the carb. I want to keep the fuel and carb cooler.

AMC ran out of wrap before he could insulate the carb. A 50 ft roll will allow you to do the pipe twice, with some left over. Wrap can get torn up from fall, branches, and washings, I get a few years from mine.

srreynolds2003 · 10-16-2007, 03:49 PM

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CAT: Has anyone tried one? I have ordered one ($27). It will be interesting to see the engine temperature...

Where did you order the Dipstick? Mine started to crack and chip. so I need to get a new one before it breaks, I could do the temp gauge or a regular doesn't matter to me.

Steven

CathastrophiX · 10-17-2007, 12:20 PM

I ordered it from a company in Sweden.
It fits my Qingqi 200, Suzuki Ozark and my sons QM80 ATV.
The Qingqi engine oil temp normally lies around 90-95Â°C

srreynolds2003 · 10-17-2007, 01:20 PM

Thanks good to know, so If I find one that fits an Ozark I Think I will be ok
There's a dealer down the street.

CathastrophiX · 10-17-2007, 01:24 PM

I don't think it will fit unless you to have a Suzuki clone engine...
The Qingqi QM 200 engine is identical to the Suzuki DR200 engine.

srreynolds2003 · 10-17-2007, 01:55 PM

OK, I will take the dip stick with me when I go.
Thanks.

culcune · 10-17-2007, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CathastrophiX

I don't think it will fit unless you to have a Suzuki clone engine...
The Qingqi QM 200 engine is identical to the Suzuki DR200 engine.

Catastrophix, not trying to change the subject, but now that the Qingqi's are more easily available in the US through Qlink (they were very hard to get from Pioneer Motors), how close to the Suzuki engine is the Qingqi?

CathastrophiX · 10-17-2007, 02:51 PM

In my galley you can find several pictures of the engine including an "cut open" one.
They are identical to the Suzuki engine (at least the -06 model) some minor changes are made on the -07 model.
Only difference I've found is that Qingqi uses 428 chain, and a slightly different Mikuni carburetor.

I can send you a complete file of Qingqi engine part diagrams (of the whole bike if you like) so you can compare with Suzukis (Alpha sports for example has online parts diagrams) The bikes themselves differ on various parts but a lot are the same..

CathastrophiX · 10-17-2007, 03:00 PM

Example:

Suzuki

Qingqi

culcune · 10-17-2007, 03:00 PM

I was curious, because most of us Chinese bike owners have the Honda-based engines, although they are incompatible internally. I, personally, am partial to Suzukis for no particular reason other than I always like the GSXR-series bikes, and I once owned a DR250s which I sadly sold many years ago

. The Qlink motard is visually very nice, and being based on the Suzuki, is a bonus.

akron · 12-13-2007, 03:17 PM

Do Swedes Rap? Ok, seriously, holding the heat within the header is not a bad thing. It will dissapate down the pipe and finally exit. Not holding the heat can be a problem for short hops on the bike. A product of combustion is water. Exhaust water can be acidic. The water will condense inside the pipe and, if the pipe does not heat up fully, stay inside the pipe. The water will rust out the pipe - inside-out. This happens frequently in automibiles.

11-06-2006, 11:55 PM	#17
amc31b Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ft Bragg, NC Posts: 37	Wrapping the exuast header does sound like a good idea though. Who cares if it is ugly, the whole bike is pretty ugly. If you dont like it, just unwrap it. __________________ <div>Roketa RKM-E5</div>
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11-17-2006, 05:30 PM	#18
amc31b Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ft Bragg, NC Posts: 37	I picked up a roll of 1"x15' header wrap and the locking ties that go with it. I wrapped it real tight, overlapped half the width of the last wrap, then let it run for a while to heat up, last I rinsed off the powder that is on it. It did give me a little bit of a burnt smell but after the rinsing it stops. I do notice the engine is running about 10-25 degrees cooler acording to my stick-on thermometers. It is about 60 degrees outside in NC and after about 30 minutes of stead riding my temperature was about 240 Farienhight with out the wrap, After the the wrap and 30 minutes of riding it was about 223 F. I also notice quite a bit more throttle responce. It is pretty ugly, but it's only noticable up close. 15 feet wasnt enough though, there was about 4" of header near the carb that couldnt get wrapped. Overal, I would consider this a good idea. Especially if you live where it is hot and your engine runs even hotter than normal. __________________ <div>Roketa RKM-E5</div>
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10-17-2007, 12:20 PM	#22
CathastrophiX Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sweden, Europe Posts: 304	I ordered it from a company in Sweden. It fits my Qingqi 200, Suzuki Ozark and my sons QM80 ATV. The Qingqi engine oil temp normally lies around 90-95Â°C __________________ "Failure is always an option!" Qingqi QM200GY -06
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10-17-2007, 01:20 PM	#23
srreynolds2003 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tomball, TX Posts: 382	Thanks good to know, so If I find one that fits an Ozark I Think I will be ok There's a dealer down the street. __________________ -2005 Sierra SR200-
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10-17-2007, 01:24 PM	#24
CathastrophiX Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sweden, Europe Posts: 304	I don't think it will fit unless you to have a Suzuki clone engine... The Qingqi QM 200 engine is identical to the Suzuki DR200 engine. __________________ "Failure is always an option!" Qingqi QM200GY -06
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11-05-2006, 05:26 PM	#16
ob1 Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 499	Nice find, hadnt seen them before!
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11-17-2006, 08:45 PM	#19
VFRFLYER Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Columbia, S.C. Posts: 62	Wow good info thanks for sharing your experiment with us. question how much did you actually wrap? from the head to carb or did you skip and restart behind the carb... ob1 your thoughts on how far you should wrap?
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11-17-2006, 09:01 PM	#20
ob1 Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 499	I wrap from the head to past the carb. I want to keep the fuel and carb cooler. AMC ran out of wrap before he could insulate the carb. A 50 ft roll will allow you to do the pipe twice, with some left over. Wrap can get torn up from fall, branches, and washings, I get a few years from mine.
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10-17-2007, 01:55 PM	#25
srreynolds2003 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tomball, TX Posts: 382	OK, I will take the dip stick with me when I go. Thanks. __________________ -2005 Sierra SR200-
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10-17-2007, 02:51 PM	#27
CathastrophiX Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sweden, Europe Posts: 304	In my galley you can find several pictures of the engine including an "cut open" one. They are identical to the Suzuki engine (at least the -06 model) some minor changes are made on the -07 model. Only difference I've found is that Qingqi uses 428 chain, and a slightly different Mikuni carburetor. I can send you a complete file of Qingqi engine part diagrams (of the whole bike if you like) so you can compare with Suzukis (Alpha sports for example has online parts diagrams) The bikes themselves differ on various parts but a lot are the same.. __________________ "Failure is always an option!" Qingqi QM200GY -06
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10-17-2007, 03:00 PM	#28
CathastrophiX Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sweden, Europe Posts: 304	Example: Suzuki Qingqi __________________ "Failure is always an option!" Qingqi QM200GY -06
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10-17-2007, 03:00 PM	#29
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,056	I was curious, because most of us Chinese bike owners have the Honda-based engines, although they are incompatible internally. I, personally, am partial to Suzukis for no particular reason other than I always like the GSXR-series bikes, and I once owned a DR250s which I sadly sold many years ago . The Qlink motard is visually very nice, and being based on the Suzuki, is a bonus. __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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12-13-2007, 03:17 PM	#30
akron Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11	Back to the wrap Do Swedes Rap? Ok, seriously, holding the heat within the header is not a bad thing. It will dissapate down the pipe and finally exit. Not holding the heat can be a problem for short hops on the bike. A product of combustion is water. Exhaust water can be acidic. The water will condense inside the pipe and, if the pipe does not heat up fully, stay inside the pipe. The water will rust out the pipe - inside-out. This happens frequently in automibiles.
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