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Musictrek · 11-27-2017, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ariel Red Hunter

I must warn you about this! It means that the spoke threads are protuding through the nipples! Blow-outs possible. Check and adjust your spoke tension, then file the spoke ends so that they do not portrude through the nipples, then either put in new rim strips or use Gorilla Tape to cover the nipples...ARH

I did go through the whole wheel and tighten down the spokes and installed a new rim strip. I was surprised how lucky I was.

Ariel Red Hunter · 11-27-2017, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Musictrek

I did go through the whole wheel and tighten down the spokes and installed a new rim strip. I was surprised how lucky I was.

Did you file down the spoke ends where they were protruded?....ARH

timcosby · 11-27-2017, 05:00 PM

i got 2500 miles out of my front tube. it just started going down. hell i ride it without air most of the time. the rear hasnt given me any trouble so far. fixaflat didnt fix my front but it also didnt come out of the sidewalls.

HawkTwoFifty · 11-27-2017, 06:57 PM

Thanks everyone for the help. So I am looking at IRC heavy duty tubes for my Hawk 250 in size 110/100-18 and see this size tube coming in stems varieties of "TR4" and "TR6". Which version do I buy??

I was looking at this one first having a TR4 stem:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/IRC-Heavy-D...pZcPT5&vxp=mtr

but then seen another with a TR6 stem.

Which do I buy?

And should I replace the tires as well? I dont want to ride several miles from my home now for fear of tires or tubes failing on me!! What do you guys recommend for reliability??

Thanks!!

HawkTwoFifty · 11-27-2017, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by timcosby

if you have fixaflat comming out the sidewalls you got more problems than tubes!

Thanks for the reply timcosby. Does this situation indicate that my tire AND tube is bad? The tire was so flat that I could stick my finger between the wheel and tire. So are my tires the issue as well as the tube??

Thanks.

HawkTwoFifty · 11-27-2017, 07:04 PM

Also, do I need to buy that 3M tape (mentioned on the 1st page of this thread) to ensure my replacement tubes do not fail? Or can I just buy heavy duty tubes and be fine? How about tires? Should I change out the stock tires as well? I dont want to get stranded far from home because of cheap crappy tires and tubes.

I never expected this to ever possibly be an issue or concern!!

HawkTwoFifty · 11-27-2017, 07:07 PM

SIGH... just SIGH is how I am feeling right now...

kirbo7106 · 11-27-2017, 09:06 PM

Hey HawkTwoFifty,
I didn’t have any problems with the tires themselves. Knobby tires on the street have a “loose” feel. The knobs flex when you lean into a turn. I went with a 50/50 Tire, but I could have gone with a 70/30 or even an 80/20. I like the feel of the Shinko 244s. I think they are a good compromise.

What kind of riding are you planning on doing? If you don’t mind the knobby, then just replace the tubes and rim strips and or tape.

Keep us posted,

pistolclass · 11-27-2017, 09:50 PM

My stock tires are great in the dirt, adequate on the pavement. They squirm on the blacktop above 35 mph .

pistolclass · 11-27-2017, 09:56 PM

This forum is the reason to own the hawk. After purchase support is non existent from the sellers but unbelievable from this group. Hang in there and soon enough your friends will be buying Hawks based on the Hawks bang for the buck once the bugs are worked out of it.

Megadan · 11-28-2017, 12:30 AM

I have already used said 3m tape on my goldwing. It works very well for.going tubeless, but you have to make sure you clean the bejeezus out of the rim so it will seal properly. For insurance it is a good idea to stretch a rim strip or bicycle tube over it. It is also very unforgiving, once it touches, soyou have to get it right the first time.

Another use, if you dont trust the tubeless route is to still use it to seal the spokes while still running a tube. Good insurance against the rapid deflation typical of inner tube blow outs. This is what I did with my Hawk, and it worked perfectly when my rear tube went. Tire slowly lost air, and allowed me to catch it before it left me stranded.

HawkTwoFifty · 11-28-2017, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kirbo7106

Hey HawkTwoFifty,
I didn’t have any problems with the tires themselves. Knobby tires on the street have a “loose” feel. The knobs flex when you lean into a turn. I went with a 50/50 Tire, but I could have gone with a 70/30 or even an 80/20. I like the feel of the Shinko 244s. I think they are a good compromise.

What kind of riding are you planning on doing? If you don’t mind the knobby, then just replace the tubes and rim strips and or tape.

Keep us posted,

Thanks Kirbo for your reply. I guess that I plan to do about 70% on road and 30% off road. But I do want to have the best of both worlds in one tire if possible.

If I get the Shinko 244, do I need to buy tubes for the Shinkos?

I just want a reliable tire (with or without tubes or tape etc) that will not leave me stranded far from home, while performing decent on both road and off-road.

Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks!

franque · 11-28-2017, 01:24 PM

Don't worry about a tubeless tire just yet, that's over complicating things, and I can see is causing you to fret... Take a deep breath, and then, just get some tubes, don't worry about a tubeless conversion. You could probably just run the stock tires with new tubes. As everyone else has said, the stock tubes are crap anyway, it's not a fault of the actual bike itself. Be sure that there is a rim strip, make sure that spoke aren't protruding, check that the chain is tensioned and lubricated, check the oil (change it if you haven't already), tire pressure, and ride it.

**JerryHawk250** · 11-28-2017, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by franque

Don't worry about a tubeless tire just yet, that's over complicating things, and I can see is causing you to fret... Take a deep breath, and then, just get some tubes, don't worry about a tubeless conversion. You could probably just run the stock tires with new tubes. As everyone else has said, the stock tubes are crap anyway, it's not a fault of the actual bike itself. Be sure that there is a rim strip, make sure that spoke aren't protruding, check that the chain is tensioned and lubricated, check the oil (change it if you haven't already), tire pressure, and ride it.

2X

franque · 11-28-2017, 01:49 PM

Also, I wanted to add, what pressure were you running the tires at? Usually that (too low a pressure) is the first thing that causes tubes to fail.

That being said, these tubes are a known failure point. For a novice, particularly on the street, I'd run them at 25psi front, 30psi rear.

In addition, they weren't saying that the tires themselves are unsafe, just that they might not be airtight enough to run tubeless (which, again, I'd advise against, because it unnecessarily complicates things for now).

11-27-2017, 05:00 PM	#18
timcosby Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: robertsdale alabama usa Posts: 1,007	i got 2500 miles out of my front tube. it just started going down. hell i ride it without air most of the time. the rear hasnt given me any trouble so far. fixaflat didnt fix my front but it also didnt come out of the sidewalls. __________________ 1991 harley heritage softail classic 2016 hawk kaw h1 400 tripple 13' long chopper in progress 2009 johnny pag bar hog 2004 hd electra glide ultra classic shriner edition 1997 harley davidson 1200 sportster 1972 harley davidson amf sx250
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11-27-2017, 09:06 PM	#23
kirbo7106 Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Holiday, Florida Posts: 672	Hey HawkTwoFifty, I didn’t have any problems with the tires themselves. Knobby tires on the street have a “loose” feel. The knobs flex when you lean into a turn. I went with a 50/50 Tire, but I could have gone with a 70/30 or even an 80/20. I like the feel of the Shinko 244s. I think they are a good compromise. What kind of riding are you planning on doing? If you don’t mind the knobby, then just replace the tubes and rim strips and or tape. Keep us posted, __________________ Dan-O -2018 Tao Tao HellCat - DOA -2016 Hawk 250 - Kitty Hawk - eBay exhaust, Mikuni carb(120 main/30 Pilot), airbox mod with K&N filter, digital cluster, total LEDs, 17/45 sprockets, RK chain, Shinko 244 tires, trunk, aftermarket levers, burrito tube, skid plate, Sargent Cycle Seat... -2003 HD Sportster 100th Anniversary -1999 Buell X-1 Lightning - Race kit, Buell Seat
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11-28-2017, 12:30 AM	#26
Megadan Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 8,148	I have already used said 3m tape on my goldwing. It works very well for.going tubeless, but you have to make sure you clean the bejeezus out of the rim so it will seal properly. For insurance it is a good idea to stretch a rim strip or bicycle tube over it. It is also very unforgiving, once it touches, soyou have to get it right the first time. Another use, if you dont trust the tubeless route is to still use it to seal the spokes while still running a tube. Good insurance against the rapid deflation typical of inner tube blow outs. This is what I did with my Hawk, and it worked perfectly when my rear tube went. Tire slowly lost air, and allowed me to catch it before it left me stranded. __________________ Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331 2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1 2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650 https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124
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11-27-2017, 06:57 PM	#19
HawkTwoFifty Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 93	Thanks everyone for the help. So I am looking at IRC heavy duty tubes for my Hawk 250 in size 110/100-18 and see this size tube coming in stems varieties of "TR4" and "TR6". Which version do I buy?? I was looking at this one first having a TR4 stem: https://www.ebay.com/itm/IRC-Heavy-D...pZcPT5&vxp=mtr but then seen another with a TR6 stem. Which do I buy? And should I replace the tires as well? I dont want to ride several miles from my home now for fear of tires or tubes failing on me!! What do you guys recommend for reliability?? Thanks!!
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11-27-2017, 07:04 PM	#21
HawkTwoFifty Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 93	Also, do I need to buy that 3M tape (mentioned on the 1st page of this thread) to ensure my replacement tubes do not fail? Or can I just buy heavy duty tubes and be fine? How about tires? Should I change out the stock tires as well? I dont want to get stranded far from home because of cheap crappy tires and tubes. I never expected this to ever possibly be an issue or concern!!
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11-27-2017, 07:07 PM	#22
HawkTwoFifty Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 93	SIGH... just SIGH is how I am feeling right now...
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11-27-2017, 09:50 PM	#24
pistolclass Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: connecticut Posts: 980	My stock tires are great in the dirt, adequate on the pavement. They squirm on the blacktop above 35 mph .
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11-27-2017, 09:56 PM	#25
pistolclass Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: connecticut Posts: 980	This forum is the reason to own the hawk. After purchase support is non existent from the sellers but unbelievable from this group. Hang in there and soon enough your friends will be buying Hawks based on the Hawks bang for the buck once the bugs are worked out of it.
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11-28-2017, 01:24 PM	#28
franque Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Marseille, France -> Conakry, Guinea Posts: 1,481	Don't worry about a tubeless tire just yet, that's over complicating things, and I can see is causing you to fret... Take a deep breath, and then, just get some tubes, don't worry about a tubeless conversion. You could probably just run the stock tires with new tubes. As everyone else has said, the stock tubes are crap anyway, it's not a fault of the actual bike itself. Be sure that there is a rim strip, make sure that spoke aren't protruding, check that the chain is tensioned and lubricated, check the oil (change it if you haven't already), tire pressure, and ride it.
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11-28-2017, 01:49 PM	#30
franque Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Marseille, France -> Conakry, Guinea Posts: 1,481	Also, I wanted to add, what pressure were you running the tires at? Usually that (too low a pressure) is the first thing that causes tubes to fail. That being said, these tubes are a known failure point. For a novice, particularly on the street, I'd run them at 25psi front, 30psi rear. In addition, they weren't saying that the tires themselves are unsafe, just that they might not be airtight enough to run tubeless (which, again, I'd advise against, because it unnecessarily complicates things for now).
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