Suggestions on a dual sport

TominMO · 12-20-2022, 04:27 PM

I bought the X-pect and quickly sold it to get a KPX. I didn't like the hump in the seat which kept me really forward. Also it's only 14 hp and too light for highway use. Plus odd tire sizes, limited choices.

Thumper · 12-20-2022, 05:23 PM

I have got to agree that the KPX is the best 20hp option in a tall, near enduro scaled bike with EFI. On the other hand, it is more than I would be willing to pay for a 20hp dual sport. But I am spoiled with the Templar

So frankly, if keeping the budget at ~ $2000 is important, I would buy a Templar X and jet it lean for your base elevation. Running kind of rich at higher elevations wouldn't hurt it. And... a removable baffle could improve higher elevation performance... plug it up for lower elevations if it pops too much. Wait, do I have that backwards? Anyway...Jet accordingly to bridge the best compromise.

Also, whether or not it is "technically" street legal is not always needed. We have people here on this website that have insured, AND plated the Templars. I guess the question is, do we have any forum members that have done it in Colorado?

**JerryHawk250** · 12-20-2022, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

Also, whether or not it is "technically" street legal is a red herring. We have people here on this website that have insured, AND plated the Templars all over the USA. I have two. Geico insured the first for an additional $35 on my annual premium for a second bike. Sailed right through at the State license office and sales tax was 7.5% of $1850 plus $50 for a two year registration. The question is, do we have any forum members that have done it in Colorado?

This is very true but some states will not like in this recent post. https://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=31993
As long as you know it can be an issue and are willing to take the risk then it would be a win win situation. I took that risk with my Hawk over 6 years ago and was one of the lucky ones and got it tagged. I knew that going in that it might not be able to register but I was getting if for off road anyway so didn't matter. Getting it plated was a bonus.

If you decide to buy the Templar just check with the DMV first to save you the headaches. Me personally i think the Templar is a great deal.

Thumper · 12-20-2022, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

This is very true but some states will not like in this recent post. https://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=31993
As long as you know it can be an issue and are willing to take the risk then it would be a win win situation. I took that risk with my Hawk over 6 years ago and was one of the lucky ones and got it tagged. I knew that going in that it might not be able to register but I was getting if for off road anyway so didn't matter. Getting it plated was a bonus.

If you decide to buy the Templar just check with the DMV first to save you the headaches. Me personally i think the Templar is a great deal.

YES. So I guess it is back to the real question of whether or not anyone has insured, titled/registered a Templar in Colorado, and maybe some details if there are different ways to register (State office, contractor license office).

And there may be a stealth path... Buy one for someone, they register it in another state, then "sell" it to you a month later when they get the title. Then the barrier may only be an ID/OD check at an inspection station, which are all over the place (same place we do safety inspections).

As long as you legally own it... right?

Coloradogoose · 12-21-2022, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

And there may be a stealth path... Buy one for someone, they register it in another state, then "sell" it to you a month later when they get the title. Then the barrier may only be an ID/OD check at an inspection station, which are all over the place (same place we do safety inspections in MO).

Valid question, and it may work however I see a few potential issues.

First, any out of state registered vehicle has to have a vin inspection. If the vin is registered as an off-road bike, which it sounds like the Templar might be, the prior out of state registration is of no consequence to Colorado. In my experience it's been a case by case based on vin if they will register it, even with a prior out of state title. May work. May not.

Second, Colorado charges taxes based on value, not sale price so I would have to pay tax twice at full pop, registration twice, and title twice which starts to add up when the idea is to save money.

Honestly I really like the Templar X for the price but I just don't know if it's worth the gamble. I can deal with a carb over EFI but I can't deal with no plates.

McQueen216 · 12-21-2022, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Coloradogoose

Honestly I really like the Templar X…

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Thumper · 12-21-2022, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TominMO

I bought the X-pect and quickly sold it to get a KPX. I didn't like the hump in the seat which kept me really forward. Also it's only 14 hp and too light for highway use. Plus odd tire sizes, limited choices.

The Bashan dual sports also have the forward push seating position. The Storm was my first China bike, and I liked the extremely comfortable seat. But after riding the Templar for a while, I got back on the Storm and felt cramped and pushed forward. The bolster limits where you can sit. It is still a comfortable seat, but I agree with you!

Thumper · 12-21-2022, 09:30 AM

OP (Coloradogoose)

Your concern about registering and plating is REAL. The VIN plate does state "offroad". This problem is bypassed upon 1st registration with a new MCO ("motorcycle", not "dirt bike") in many States that do not require any inspection of new motorcycles.

If I sell the bike, an in-state sale will go smoothly, but out of State sale will probably run into ID/OD check problem. You are right.

You may be able to get a Templar on the road in Colorado if you go to the right office, and get lucky. You may not.

Here, we need...
-the motor vehicle certificate of origin, MCO ("motorcycle")
-buyers contract/bill of sale with sale price and date of sale indicated
-Receipts for past TWO years personal property tax paid
-Proof of financial responsibiltiy (printed insurance "card", with correct VIN on it)
-drivers license with my correct address on it
-A check book (they accept checks in this State)

If you have all your ducks in a row, you stand a chance of getting it done. If you ask questions, or offer any red flag info, ...

Remember, "These are not the droids you are looking for..."

12-20-2022, 04:27 PM	#1
TominMO Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: De Soto, MO Posts: 2,042	I bought the X-pect and quickly sold it to get a KPX. I didn't like the hump in the seat which kept me really forward. Also it's only 14 hp and too light for highway use. Plus odd tire sizes, limited choices. __________________ 2021 Lifan Xpect--sold 2022 Lifan KPX 1972 Honda CT90--The Carrot 1969 Honda CT90--The Tomahto Cheesy is the WDK (workplace drama king). Now retired. Nope, back in the saddle. Nope, finally retired. Climate: The Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A24fWmNA6lM How our government really works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjadCd0VRBw Question all authority.....think for yourself
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12-20-2022, 05:23 PM	#2
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,971	I have got to agree that the KPX is the best 20hp option in a tall, near enduro scaled bike with EFI. On the other hand, it is more than I would be willing to pay for a 20hp dual sport. But I am spoiled with the Templar So frankly, if keeping the budget at ~ $2000 is important, I would buy a Templar X and jet it lean for your base elevation. Running kind of rich at higher elevations wouldn't hurt it. And... a removable baffle could improve higher elevation performance... plug it up for lower elevations if it pops too much. Wait, do I have that backwards? Anyway...Jet accordingly to bridge the best compromise. Also, whether or not it is "technically" street legal is not always needed. We have people here on this website that have insured, AND plated the Templars. I guess the question is, do we have any forum members that have done it in Colorado? Last edited by Thumper; 11-12-2024 at 07:52 PM.
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12-21-2022, 09:30 AM	#8
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,971	OP (Coloradogoose) Your concern about registering and plating is REAL. The VIN plate does state "offroad". This problem is bypassed upon 1st registration with a new MCO ("motorcycle", not "dirt bike") in many States that do not require any inspection of new motorcycles. If I sell the bike, an in-state sale will go smoothly, but out of State sale will probably run into ID/OD check problem. You are right. You may be able to get a Templar on the road in Colorado if you go to the right office, and get lucky. You may not. Here, we need... -the motor vehicle certificate of origin, MCO ("motorcycle") -buyers contract/bill of sale with sale price and date of sale indicated -Receipts for past TWO years personal property tax paid -Proof of financial responsibiltiy (printed insurance "card", with correct VIN on it) -drivers license with my correct address on it -A check book (they accept checks in this State) If you have all your ducks in a row, you stand a chance of getting it done. If you ask questions, or offer any red flag info, ... Remember, "These are not the droids you are looking for..." Last edited by Thumper; 11-12-2024 at 07:50 PM.
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