still no spark

crhunter · 08-08-2009, 05:45 PM

Where is the best place to buy parts? Looking for 1 solenoid, 1 CDI, 1 rectifier, 1 coil...

TurboT · 08-08-2009, 07:05 PM

I think if you need that stuff Gio direct would be your answer.

You can't find any wires pushed out of their connector plugs or a frayed wire anywhere?

Reveeen · 08-08-2009, 07:14 PM

Looking for 1 solenoid, 1 CDI, 1 rectifier, 1 coil...

Maybe head on over to Cdn Tire (or Princess Auto) and get a multimeter first?

For spark you only need voltage out of the stator, a trigger signal for the CDI, a CDI, and a coil. You measure the voltage and trigger signal (usually AC volts) at the CDI, check the resistances of the coil, and when all else is ok, replace the CDI.

The rectifier/regulator is only used to power the lights and charge the battery. The solenoid is only used to "tickle" the starter motor.

Weldangrind · 08-08-2009, 07:25 PM

crhunter, didn't you say in a previous post that you ordered the ignition bundle from Gio? BTW, this post topic would be better in the ATV section.

Cheers!

crhunter · 08-08-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboT

I think if you need that stuff Gio direct would be your answer.

You can't find any wires pushed out of their connector plugs or a frayed wire anywhere?

I talked to John today and he is going to send me that bundle deal, coil, cdi rectifier etc and that broken tailight for $50 all included taxes and shipping. You guys were right he is good to deal with.

I pulled off the plastic body and check all the wires and connections. Everything looks fine.

crhunter · 08-08-2009, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reveeen

Looking for 1 solenoid, 1 CDI, 1 rectifier, 1 coil...

Maybe head on over to Cdn Tire (or Princess Auto) and get a multimeter first?

For spark you only need voltage out of the stator, a trigger signal for the CDI, a CDI, and a coil. You measure the voltage and trigger signal (usually AC volts) at the CDI, check the resistances of the coil, and when all else is ok, replace the CDI.

The rectifier/regulator is only used to power the lights and charge the battery. The solenoid is only used to "tickle" the starter motor.

Okay that makes sense. I should pick up a multimeter, thet are good to have. I will start with the CDI if that's not it then the solenoid would be next I guess...

crhunter · 08-08-2009, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weldangrind

crhunter, didn't you say in a previous post that you ordered the ignition bundle from Gio? BTW, this post topic would be better in the ATV section.

Cheers!

I was going to and then John got to me, he combined the shipping for the taillight and ignition bundle together. BTW I pm a moderator and asked him to move this post. Thanks, not sure why I posted here...

Reveeen · 08-09-2009, 11:29 AM

I will start with the CDI if that's not it then the solenoid would be next I guess...

Probably the first place I would look is the kill switch (and wiring) and/or a dead man device (and wiring), if so equipped.

Weldangrind · 08-09-2009, 12:25 PM

X2. The solenoid is only a big switch that is capable of activating the starter; you activate the solenoid by a small switch (same principle as a relay).

I recommend that after confirming that switches and so forth are ok, you replace one item at a time until you have success. In other words, if you throw a CDI, rectifier, spark plug and solenoid on all at the same time, you won't know what fixed it. You and the rest of the forum will benefit.

Princess Auto has a decent small multimeter for around $10.

crhunter · 08-09-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Reveeen

Probably the first place I would look is the kill switch (and wiring) and/or a dead man device (and wiring), if so equipped.

Thanks there are 2 kill switches I believe. One near the starter and a tether switch at the back.

crhunter · 08-09-2009, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weldangrind

X2. The solenoid is only a big switch that is capable of activating the starter; you activate the solenoid by a small switch (same principle as a relay).

I recommend that after confirming that switches and so forth are ok, you replace one item at a time until you have success. In other words, if you throw a CDI, rectifier, spark plug and solenoid on all at the same time, you won't know what fixed it. You and the rest of the forum will benefit.

Princess Auto has a decent small multimeter for around $10.

Process of elimination...to be continued. I'll check out PA, I love that store. I wonder if any of their tires would fit the GIO series?

katoranger · 08-09-2009, 05:04 PM

Got it moved for ya.

LynnEdwards · 08-09-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by crhunter

Thanks there are 2 kill switches I believe. One near the starter and a tether switch at the back.

110cc Machines can have up to 4 kill switches:

In addition to the two you listed there is one pole of the two pole ignition switch, and the kill switch built into the remote control module (if you have that installed).

You can test all of them at once after you buy your multimeter. Measure the resistance of the kill switch wire right at the CDI to engine ground. It should read open (infinite resistance). If it reads shorted to ground (zero ohms) then you definately have a kill switch issue. This method also will detect a pinched wire grounding out the kill switch line. Of course to do this test you need to have all the kill switches turned off, and the igntion switch turned to the "run" position.

Here is where to find the kill switch wire on your CDI:

As already mentioned, the Stator output voltages and trigger signal can be measured to see if they work. Do the kill switch checks first, then we can go further if need be.

Caution: There is high voltage coming out of the stator igintion power connection, ignition coil connection, as well as on the kill switch wiring. It ranges from 80 volts cranking to 300 volts running. So be carful where you are poking your fingers when the engine is turning.

crhunter · 08-10-2009, 01:23 AM

Finally got a good charge on the battery and yes I got spark but it still wouldn't start. After testing with the multimeter found the culprit the kill switch at the back! Even with the button depressed with my finger (black rubber cap removed). I remember trying this a couple of days ago. So for fun I disconected the wiring harness to the tether kill switch :idea: and now it will start.

However I will have to replace it for my son when he is big enough to ride it...I'll just add it to the spare parts that are on their way.

Thanks to everyone for your advice!

TurboT · 08-10-2009, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by crhunter

Finally got a good charge on the battery and yes I got spark but it still wouldn't start. After testing with the multimeter found the culprit the kill switch at the back! Even with the button depressed with my finger (black rubber cap removed). I remember trying this a couple of days ago. So for fun I disconected the wiring harness to the tether kill switch :idea: and now it will start.

However I will have to replace it for my son when he is big enough to ride it...I'll just add it to the spare parts that are on their way.

Thanks to everyone for your advice!

I am glad to hear you found the problem. Those kill switches are a bit of a disaster really.

I think you might find they are not that suitable, as the cord attached to them is so short that when your little guy makes a right turn it will pull the cap off. I tried it with my kids when they first got on and they kept killing it everytime they turned. You could extend the cord I guess if you were nervous.

Seem as you figured out the wiring you could install the remote stop start which would probably allow them to ride without the cord around them, and give you piece of mind you could kill it when needed. I have one here, which I haven't installed and more than likely won't. I could sell it to you for my cost if you want it, and if I remember how much I paid?? :oops:

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Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	crhunter, didn't you say in a previous post that you ordered the ignition bundle from Gio? BTW, this post topic would be better in the ATV section. Cheers! __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	X2. The solenoid is only a big switch that is capable of activating the starter; you activate the solenoid by a small switch (same principle as a relay). I recommend that after confirming that switches and so forth are ok, you replace one item at a time until you have success. In other words, if you throw a CDI, rectifier, spark plug and solenoid on all at the same time, you won't know what fixed it. You and the rest of the forum will benefit. Princess Auto has a decent small multimeter for around $10. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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08-10-2009, 01:23 AM	#14
crhunter Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Langley, BC Posts: 48	Finally got a good charge on the battery and yes I got spark but it still wouldn't start. After testing with the multimeter found the culprit the kill switch at the back! Even with the button depressed with my finger (black rubber cap removed). I remember trying this a couple of days ago. So for fun I disconected the wiring harness to the tether kill switch :idea: and now it will start. However I will have to replace it for my son when he is big enough to ride it...I'll just add it to the spare parts that are on their way. Thanks to everyone for your advice! __________________ ____________________________________ "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?"
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08-08-2009, 07:05 PM	#2
TurboT Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Posts: 2,185	I think if you need that stuff Gio direct would be your answer. You can't find any wires pushed out of their connector plugs or a frayed wire anywhere?
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08-08-2009, 07:14 PM	#3
Reveeen Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: orbital platform Posts: 741	Looking for 1 solenoid, 1 CDI, 1 rectifier, 1 coil... Maybe head on over to Cdn Tire (or Princess Auto) and get a multimeter first? For spark you only need voltage out of the stator, a trigger signal for the CDI, a CDI, and a coil. You measure the voltage and trigger signal (usually AC volts) at the CDI, check the resistances of the coil, and when all else is ok, replace the CDI. The rectifier/regulator is only used to power the lights and charge the battery. The solenoid is only used to "tickle" the starter motor.
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Reveeen Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: orbital platform Posts: 741	I will start with the CDI if that's not it then the solenoid would be next I guess... Probably the first place I would look is the kill switch (and wiring) and/or a dead man device (and wiring), if so equipped.
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