2021 TBR7 Pre-First Start Oil Dirty-Shavings On Drain Plug Magnet

Tomkay44 · 10-30-2021, 05:16 PM

My 2021 TBR7 arrived on a pallet, in a crate earlier this month. It was, of course, unassembled, so I'm almost certain it hasn't been started for the first time yet.
TBR7s come with a very cheap, magnetic drain plug now and the magnet was full of black shavings.
The pre-first start oil seemed dirty also. Not like the crystal clear shipping oil in Collin at 3 Petal Devils' video. I'm a noob so any input/advice is much appreciated

China Rider 27 · 10-30-2021, 06:46 PM

Here is a good thread on it I wish I had seen before I got my bikes. I would modify what I said to include changing the oil before it is ever started and again after 5 minutes etc, etc. Some would consider it overkill but buy a gallon of Rotella and have at it however it makes you feel good. Breaking in an engine has to feel good.

http://www.chinariders.net/showthrea...les#post359902

buzz · 10-30-2021, 09:11 PM

Changed before start up, then ran for 1/2 hour. Then 100 miles,then every 300 miles after that. 1100 miles and loving this TBR7

Aufgeblassen · 10-31-2021, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by buzz

Changed before start up, then ran for 1/2 hour. Then 100 miles,then every 300 miles after that. 1100 miles and loving this TBR7

Overkill.

jasbeth · 11-01-2021, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Aufgeblassen

Overkill.

Not overkill at all, shipping oil should be changed before starting the bike the first time. Change at 50 miles, change at 100 miles, then every 300 miles after. Please do not mislead anyone or even insinuate that any fluids that come with any Chinese bike are quality. They are junk and have been tested and proved as such. Actually, no one knows exactly what comes in these bikes, fork oil is the same viscosity as engine oil. It does not even resemble motor oil or fork oil. Brake fluids should be flushed and changed as well. Anyone saying anything otherwise is a fool.

krat · 11-01-2021, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jasbeth

Not overkill at all, shipping oil should be changed before starting the bike the first time. Change at 50 miles, change at 100 miles, then every 300 miles after. Please do not mislead anyone or even insinuate that any fluids that come with any Chinese bike are quality. They are junk and have been tested and proved as such. Actually, no one knows exactly what comes in these bikes, fork oil is the same viscosity as engine oil. It does not even resemble motor oil or fork oil. Brake fluids should be flushed and changed as well. Anyone saying anything otherwise is a fool.

Harsh but true. What came in mine looked like something McDonalds would throw away when they cleaned the fryers. There was crud floating in it!

Remember that these are not automobiles and there is no filter. They are spinning about twice the speed of a car engine and since they are air cooled they run hotter than your car ever dreamed.

They are designed to do it, but they need proper oil, especially for the clutch, which is also in that oil bath.

You have bits of new engine shavings, bits of clutch compound and bits of transmission chip floating in there.

Three changes before the 1000K mark is not a bad idea.

Yes your odometer reads in KM, not miles.

BTW, my handling improved 100% when I pulled the forks and replaced the shipping oil. It was the same gray/green crap as was in the engine for shipping. Additionally, I discovered that there was 100ml in one side and 150ml in the other. They need around 200ml in each side.

Tomkay44 · 11-01-2021, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by krat

Harsh but true. What came in mine looked like something McDonalds would throw away when they cleaned the fryers. There was crud floating in it!

Remember that these are not automobiles and there is no filter. They are spinning about twice the speed of a car engine and since they are air cooled they run hotter than your car ever dreamed.

They are designed to do it, but they need proper oil, especially for the clutch, which is also in that oil bath.

You have bits of new engine shavings, bits of clutch compound and bits of transmission chip floating in there.

Three changes before the 1000K mark is not a bad idea.

Yes your odometer reads in KM, not miles.

BTW, my handling improved 100% when I pulled the forks and replaced the shipping oil. It was the same gray/green crap as was in the engine for shipping. Additionally, I discovered that there was 100ml in one side and 150ml in the other. They need around 200ml in each side.

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Collin on 3 Petal Devils put 225 ml. Do you think that's too much?

Aufgeblassen · 11-02-2021, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jasbeth

Not overkill at all, shipping oil should be changed before starting the bike the first time. Change at 50 miles, change at 100 miles, then every 300 miles after.

LOL! I bet you change your underwear 4 times a day too.

The saying "When in doubt, consult your owner's Manual" is quite true!

The oil change interval is 3,000 km. That is 1,863 miles. *** AND *** that is based upon conventional oil. I intent to change mine TWICE that with fully synthetic oil.

Thru regular oil analysis, I finally changed my big rig Volvo engine's oil, whose nominal oil change interval was 20,000 miles with dino oil after 130,000 miles. Said truck I bought at 500,000 miles and sold it at over 1,000,000 miles!

TominMO · 11-02-2021, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Aufgeblassen

LOL! I bet you change your underwear 4 times a day too.

There are a number of different approaches to maintenance. It is not an exact science, with only one correct way to do things. And anyway, overkill beats neglect.

Can't you just agree to disagree, without being disagreeable?

Tomkay44 · 10-31-2021, 01:12 PM

Come to think of it , Collin at 3 Pedal Devils did say he was expecting to see it much worse. Either way, I sure appreciate all of you guys' insight. I won't get through this without it that's for sure. Thank y'all.

Mudflap · 11-01-2021, 05:15 AM

Remember, there will be a certain amount of steel shavings mainly from the transmission parts as they wear in.

Tomkay44 · 11-01-2021, 08:27 AM

That's true. Thanks.

Magician16 · 11-02-2021, 08:09 AM

I put about 225 in my Magician forks, and it rides great.

Tomkay44 · 11-02-2021, 11:45 AM

I do know Collin at 3PD pulled drastically different amounts out of each. He put Teflon tape on the drain plugs when he put them back in too. That seems essential.

krat · 11-03-2021, 01:44 PM

My feeling about the maintenance schedule is that it has always been difficult to source internal parts for these China bikes and it is getting more difficult by the day. You don't just run down to the bike shop and give them the part number from the manual and go home and do the repair that afternoon.

I do not have either the skill or training to do bottom end or transmission work on these bikes, and no shop in 500 miles of me will touch a China bike for repair.

With the inflation rate and increased shipping charges we are now facing we can expect the future cost of a new engine to be more than the present price of a new bike, within months.

Oil is cheap and easy to find. It only takes one quart, and even the top grade wet clutch application oil costs less than $10 a quart. I am presently paying $6 at Autozone.

$10 worth of oil and ten minutes of my time every 1500KM is not a big deal or something to dread.

A Honda CG might run forever with minimal upkeep, our "clones" will not, that is proven. Most of us can barely keep them on the road what with electrics, transmission, clutch and carburetor issues. The reason for the existence of this forum is to keep them going!

Better to maintain it than have a shed decoration.

10-30-2021, 05:16 PM	#1
Tomkay44 Join Date: Oct 2021 Location: Lumberton TX (Southeast TX) Posts: 110	2021 TBR7 Pre-First Start Oil Dirty-Shavings On Drain Plug Magnet My 2021 TBR7 arrived on a pallet, in a crate earlier this month. It was, of course, unassembled, so I'm almost certain it hasn't been started for the first time yet. TBR7s come with a very cheap, magnetic drain plug now and the magnet was full of black shavings. The pre-first start oil seemed dirty also. Not like the crystal clear shipping oil in Collin at 3 Petal Devils' video. I'm a noob so any input/advice is much appreciated
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11-02-2021, 08:09 AM	#13
Magician16 Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 472	I put about 225 in my Magician forks, and it rides great. __________________ 2018 Bashan Storm(sold) 2016 Magician 250
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11-03-2021, 01:44 PM	#15
krat Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: KY Posts: 290	My feeling about the maintenance schedule is that it has always been difficult to source internal parts for these China bikes and it is getting more difficult by the day. You don't just run down to the bike shop and give them the part number from the manual and go home and do the repair that afternoon. I do not have either the skill or training to do bottom end or transmission work on these bikes, and no shop in 500 miles of me will touch a China bike for repair. With the inflation rate and increased shipping charges we are now facing we can expect the future cost of a new engine to be more than the present price of a new bike, within months. Oil is cheap and easy to find. It only takes one quart, and even the top grade wet clutch application oil costs less than $10 a quart. I am presently paying $6 at Autozone. $10 worth of oil and ten minutes of my time every 1500KM is not a big deal or something to dread. A Honda CG might run forever with minimal upkeep, our "clones" will not, that is proven. Most of us can barely keep them on the road what with electrics, transmission, clutch and carburetor issues. The reason for the existence of this forum is to keep them going! Better to maintain it than have a shed decoration. __________________ %90 of the Chinese motorbikes ever made are still on the road. The other %10 made it back home.
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10-30-2021, 06:46 PM	#2
China Rider 27 Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: PNW Posts: 985	Here is a good thread on it I wish I had seen before I got my bikes. I would modify what I said to include changing the oil before it is ever started and again after 5 minutes etc, etc. Some would consider it overkill but buy a gallon of Rotella and have at it however it makes you feel good. Breaking in an engine has to feel good. http://www.chinariders.net/showthrea...les#post359902
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10-30-2021, 09:11 PM	#3
buzz Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Dayton Pa. Posts: 1,034	Changed before start up, then ran for 1/2 hour. Then 100 miles,then every 300 miles after that. 1100 miles and loving this TBR7
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10-31-2021, 01:12 PM	#10
Tomkay44 Join Date: Oct 2021 Location: Lumberton TX (Southeast TX) Posts: 110	Come to think of it , Collin at 3 Pedal Devils did say he was expecting to see it much worse. Either way, I sure appreciate all of you guys' insight. I won't get through this without it that's for sure. Thank y'all.
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11-01-2021, 05:15 AM	#11
Mudflap Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 1,961	Remember, there will be a certain amount of steel shavings mainly from the transmission parts as they wear in.
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11-01-2021, 08:27 AM	#12
Tomkay44 Join Date: Oct 2021 Location: Lumberton TX (Southeast TX) Posts: 110	That's true. Thanks.
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11-02-2021, 11:45 AM	#14
Tomkay44 Join Date: Oct 2021 Location: Lumberton TX (Southeast TX) Posts: 110	I do know Collin at 3PD pulled drastically different amounts out of each. He put Teflon tape on the drain plugs when he put them back in too. That seems essential.
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