Templar X 250 - Page 82

Texas Pete · 03-12-2023, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chienmin Su

The engine ran a little lean, can I adjust the screw in blue circle to change air/fuel mixture. It's in a weird angle to stick a straight flathead screw driver and is very tight. Should I use a right-angled screw driver to turn it? Thanks again!

No.

Blue is the fuel bowl drain screw. You use that if you won't ride the bike for a few weeks. With the petcock closed you can open the blue and drain out the gasoline so it does not dry and varnish the insides of the carburetor parts.

Air/Fuel is hidden behind the aluminum welch plug. You need to drill it so you can get the tip of a screw to bite into the aluminum then pull/tap it out so you have access to the screw hidden under it.

Air/Fuel is only for idle mixture adjustment. To get rid of lean you will need to rejet the carburetor to jets with bigger holes in them. While you have the carburetor open you might as well shim the needle as well. Check the Templar Resources Thread for details on that.

https://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=32177

Chienmin Su · 03-12-2023, 02:58 PM

Understood, thank you so much both. I am learning and enjoying so much with this bike. It's a toy for me at age of 67, height 5'7". Can't do it without this forum.

Thumper · 03-13-2023, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chienmin Su

This is the first time I adjust a carb on bike. I adjust the one with red circle for idle speed fast/slow, is it correct? The engine ran a little lean, can I adjust the screw in blue circle to change air/fuel mixture. It's in a weird angle to stick a straight flathead screw driver and is very tight. Should I use a right-angled screw driver to turn it? Thanks again!

Frank,
Here is information on the idle adjustment screw. It sets the slide height inside the tower on the carb
https://www.chinariders.net/showpost...80&postcount=6

The black plastic sheath on the spark plug wire is on the outside of the sparkplug wire. It is just some additional insulation. That is normal. It is not physically attached to the spark plug wire... just over it.

And here are a couple of posts on the carburetor and some other ifo on valves.
https://www.chinariders.net/showpost...59&postcount=4

These posts are from the Templar resource thread at the top of the Dual Sport/Enduro section

Chienmin Su · 03-13-2023, 06:22 PM

Thumper,

thank you so much for the information. Your post on the rerouting throttle cable has saved my enthusiasm on the bike. It's a very nice bike and I can't wait for a warm day to take it for a ride.

BTW, I have order a idle adjustment screw with big knob for placement.

Thanks again, -Frank

Fast_Freddy · 03-13-2023, 08:46 PM

FYI for base Templar owners: If you install the large knob idle air screw it will hit the frame and turn while riding. Reported and confirmed over at the Facebook Templar/Titan group. I can attest that the stock idle air screw does rest firmly against the frame.

Chienmin Su · 03-14-2023, 05:38 PM

Bummer!
Many thanks for the head up, luckily it's not a too expensive approach. Hopefully someone (include myself) can come up with a mod to make it a manual instead of tool driven adjustment.
-Frank

Thumper · 03-14-2023, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chienmin Su

Bummer!
Many thanks for the head up, luckily it's not a too expensive approach. Hopefully someone (include myself) can come up with a mod to make it a manual instead of tool driven adjustment.
-Frank

You got a Templar X, right? The large knob works on the X (and M). It hits the frame on the base Templar. You should be fine, right???

Fast_Freddy · 03-14-2023, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chienmin Su

Bummer!
Many thanks for the head up, luckily it's not a too expensive approach. Hopefully someone (include myself) can come up with a mod to make it a manual instead of tool driven adjustment.
-Frank

I thought you had a Templar X? The base Templar has a different frame. On my base model I adjust the idle air with hemostats but needle nose pliers would work equally well. I wish I could use the large knob air screw.

Texas Pete · 03-14-2023, 09:16 PM

That is a shame to hear. Everytime I start my Templar X first thing I do is I love playing with my large red knob

I set it so the bike will idle on it's own with a cold start while I finish getting me helmet and gloves on. Then as I ride it after five minutes I'll usually tweak my large red knob down again so it idles normal for a hot running engine. I'm over sitting there for a minute or two holding the throttle and choke until I can let go and have it idle on it's own without stopping while I go finish getting geared up for a ride.

I'll even take a picture if folks want to see it

Fast_Freddy · 03-14-2023, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas Pete

That is a shame to hear. Everytime I start my Templar X first thing I do is I love playing with my large red knob

I set it so the bike will idle on it's own with a cold start while I finish getting me helmet and gloves on. Then as I ride it after five minutes I'll usually tweak my large red knob down again so it idles normal for a hot running engine. I'm over sitting there for a minute or two holding the throttle and choke until I can let go and have it idle on it's own without stopping while I go finish getting geared up for a ride.

I'll even take a picture if folks want to see it

Well Texas Pete, I can't speak for everyone but I for one have no desire to see a picture of you playing with your large red knob. Personally I prefer to play with my bigger orange handgrip for a minute or two after a cold start.

tknj99 · 03-15-2023, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas Pete

That is a shame to hear. Everytime I start my Templar X first thing I do is I love playing with my large red knob

I set it so the bike will idle on it's own with a cold start while I finish getting me helmet and gloves on. Then as I ride it after five minutes I'll usually tweak my large red knob down again so it idles normal for a hot running engine. I'm over sitting there for a minute or two holding the throttle and choke until I can let go and have it idle on it's own without stopping while I go finish getting geared up for a ride.

Even after sealing the manifold with RTV, i still need to hold choke/rpm up for about a minute before she'll idle on her own.. i think this is the most prevalent issue (feature) with the Templar's

Texas Pete · 03-15-2023, 08:02 AM

Don’t get me wrong for anyone in future reading this that may not know, all carbureted engines from cars to motorcycles to airplanes and chainsaws and everything inbetween benefit from choke and/or a bit of throttle on cold starts until they warm up. Fuel sticks to cold engine intake parts robbing the engine combustion chamber of fuel making the engine run too lean to stay running on their own. With the choke giving more fuel to make up for the sticking fuel the cold engine no longer runs too lean but runs rich while cold. When the engine is hot the parts have expanded and the fuel is entering without sticking losses so the combustion chamber is now running richer with the extra fuel from the choke so it can now be released as well as anyone who was playing with their knobs or handgrips can reverse what they may have done when it was running cold as the engine can keep itself running now.

PS don’t worry no photos of my large red knob, you’ll have to use your imagination for now.

Chienmin Su · 03-15-2023, 03:01 PM

Thank you very much folks, that was very educational. I'll report back once I get my large knob screw installed

.
-Frank

Fast_Freddy · 03-15-2023, 08:45 PM

Don't forget to post pics!

Zooker89 · 03-18-2023, 11:50 AM

Well, I finally got some work done on the X

Carb, jetted, idle screw installed and cables routed properly.
Seat cover changed.
About half of the new graphics applied.
Battery tray straightened and battery installed.
Working on the bark busters.

Still to do - get the skid plate fitted properly
Finish the bark busters
Finish the rest of the graphics
Put some fuel in and start it up.

03-13-2023, 08:46 PM	#1220
Fast_Freddy Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Pennsyltuckey Posts: 311	FYI for base Templar owners: If you install the large knob idle air screw it will hit the frame and turn while riding. Reported and confirmed over at the Facebook Templar/Titan group. I can attest that the stock idle air screw does rest firmly against the frame. __________________ 22 Templar 250
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03-14-2023, 09:16 PM	#1224
Texas Pete Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 626	That is a shame to hear. Everytime I start my Templar X first thing I do is I love playing with my large red knob I set it so the bike will idle on it's own with a cold start while I finish getting me helmet and gloves on. Then as I ride it after five minutes I'll usually tweak my large red knob down again so it idles normal for a hot running engine. I'm over sitting there for a minute or two holding the throttle and choke until I can let go and have it idle on it's own without stopping while I go finish getting geared up for a ride. I'll even take a picture if folks want to see it __________________ 2022 1/2 Templar X 250 - 6 gear model - 13 Front / 40 Rear Sprockets - #42 / #120 Jets - 1mm thick nitrile O-ring needle shim (removed) - Kenda K761 Dual Sport Tires - Sedona Standard Thickness Inner Tubes - Stock OEM battery, carburetor, spark plug still going strong - https://youtu.be/dhAYEKH-jFQ Texas Pete's Templar X 250 Torque Specifications Sheet Texas Pete's Engine Displacement Calculator Texas Pete's Tire and Rim Compatibility
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03-15-2023, 08:02 AM	#1227
Texas Pete Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 626	Don’t get me wrong for anyone in future reading this that may not know, all carbureted engines from cars to motorcycles to airplanes and chainsaws and everything inbetween benefit from choke and/or a bit of throttle on cold starts until they warm up. Fuel sticks to cold engine intake parts robbing the engine combustion chamber of fuel making the engine run too lean to stay running on their own. With the choke giving more fuel to make up for the sticking fuel the cold engine no longer runs too lean but runs rich while cold. When the engine is hot the parts have expanded and the fuel is entering without sticking losses so the combustion chamber is now running richer with the extra fuel from the choke so it can now be released as well as anyone who was playing with their knobs or handgrips can reverse what they may have done when it was running cold as the engine can keep itself running now. PS don’t worry no photos of my large red knob, you’ll have to use your imagination for now. __________________ 2022 1/2 Templar X 250 - 6 gear model - 13 Front / 40 Rear Sprockets - #42 / #120 Jets - 1mm thick nitrile O-ring needle shim (removed) - Kenda K761 Dual Sport Tires - Sedona Standard Thickness Inner Tubes - Stock OEM battery, carburetor, spark plug still going strong - https://youtu.be/dhAYEKH-jFQ Texas Pete's Templar X 250 Torque Specifications Sheet Texas Pete's Engine Displacement Calculator Texas Pete's Tire and Rim Compatibility
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03-15-2023, 08:45 PM	#1229
Fast_Freddy Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Pennsyltuckey Posts: 311	Don't forget to post pics! __________________ 22 Templar 250
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03-18-2023, 11:50 AM	#1230
Zooker89 Join Date: May 2022 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 91	Finally coming together Well, I finally got some work done on the X Carb, jetted, idle screw installed and cables routed properly. Seat cover changed. About half of the new graphics applied. Battery tray straightened and battery installed. Working on the bark busters. Still to do - get the skid plate fitted properly Finish the bark busters Finish the rest of the graphics Put some fuel in and start it up. Attached Thumbnails
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03-12-2023, 02:58 PM	#1217
Chienmin Su Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Ohio Posts: 13	Understood, thank you so much both. I am learning and enjoying so much with this bike. It's a toy for me at age of 67, height 5'7". Can't do it without this forum.
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03-13-2023, 06:22 PM	#1219
Chienmin Su Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Ohio Posts: 13	Thumper, thank you so much for the information. Your post on the rerouting throttle cable has saved my enthusiasm on the bike. It's a very nice bike and I can't wait for a warm day to take it for a ride. BTW, I have order a idle adjustment screw with big knob for placement. Thanks again, -Frank
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03-14-2023, 05:38 PM	#1221
Chienmin Su Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Ohio Posts: 13	Bummer! Many thanks for the head up, luckily it's not a too expensive approach. Hopefully someone (include myself) can come up with a mod to make it a manual instead of tool driven adjustment. -Frank
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03-15-2023, 03:01 PM	#1228
Chienmin Su Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Ohio Posts: 13	Thank you very much folks, that was very educational. I'll report back once I get my large knob screw installed . -Frank
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