New Zongshen RX3 (ZS250GY-3) Dual Sport

[SpudRider]

It didn't look quite that nice. Knobbies and a 60T rear sprocket. Owned it for 12 years and it ran every time you kicked it. Adjust valves, change oil,mess with points and that was it. The fuel line apparently ruptured while it was idling one morning and the bike completely burned to the ground. :cry:

That is sad. :cry:

[Weldangrind]

That's awful! :(

[deputygene]

I love following along with this post! I think I may be just as excited as all of you that have lined up to purchase a new RX3! Anyone getting one here on the east coast (NC area) I would love to go for a ride with you in the spring and check out your new ride! Some TET maybe?
Spud, the catoma tent looks amazing, I look forward to a gear review after a proper field trial.

[SpudRider]

Thank you, gene. :) After I get some experience with it, I certainly will post a review of my Catoma Lone Rider tent. ;)

[SpudRider]

CSC has announced a few more accessories for the RX3 on the blog website. :)

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/

[SpudRider]

I frequently ride into the wilderness, and I plan to make several adventure rides this summer. Therefore, I have been considering getting a SPOT locator.

http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=100

http://www.findmespot.com/images/spot_gen3/gen3_title_background_v3.jpg

However, the SPOT device costs $150, and you also need to pay a $150 service fee every year. :tdown:

After doing some research, I have instead decided to purchase a personal locator beacon (PLB). These devices are far more reliable, and cost less than the SPOT device. :tup: The ACR ResQLink PLB costs about $240, and doesn't have any service plan fees. :) The PLB battery lasts 6 years before it needs to be replaced, so the total cost is about $40/year.

http://www.acrartex.com/products/catalog/personal-locator-beacons/resqlink-plb/#sthash.bWs0sTy5.C6JJEd4A.dpbs

http://www.acrartex.com/media/751006/1151ACR-064844_72.png?width=470&height=450&mode=max

If you have a true emergency in the wilderness, the PLB is much more effective, and costs much less than a SPOT device. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ3M8hhdlSs

[SpudRider]

If you are interested in learning more about personal locator beacons (PLB), you might enjoy reading the following thread. ;)

http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=14367

[SpudRider]

If you ever need to use your Artex ResQLink, the company will give you a new one to replace it. :tup: Here is the story of several survivors who needed to activate their ResQLink PLBs. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjrrm9c7bs

[thillskier]

I have a wally world GPS (Garmin) that worked well enough to and from Kansas on my New yrs trip (in my Insight:). May try it on the bike.
Ram mount has almost universal recommendation. Best supplier?

Agree re delivery, warmer the better until May for AZ. Texas can be iffy, and I saw snow in the Phoenix/Toombstone areas flying out one yr in April! (in an ultralight:)!

[Mudflap]

An older friend of mine landed his PPC out in the Nevada desert to take a leak but hit a rock and broke his leg when it slipped off the steering bar. There he is in the middle of nowhere, all alone, with a badly broken leg, unable to take off and fly back to camp. Fortunately he had recently purchased a Spot and was rescued by the sheriff a few hours later. Back at camp his wife got the message but didn't know how to use the GPS to find him.

I've been thinking about getting one because there is no cell service where I often ride in Central Oregon and you're not likely to see another person for days or weeks. Flying out there carries the same risk.

[Weldangrind]

I'm in complete agreement, although I heartily recommend the buddy system.

[Wolftrax]

I use the Delorme InReach. Worldwide service plus two way texting. Off hand can't remember my monthly service charge, but it's not too $$$.

http://www.inreachdelorme.com

[SpudRider]

I use the Delorme InReach. Worldwide service plus two way texting. Off hand can't remember my monthly service charge, but it's not too $$$.

http://www.inreachdelorme.com

I am interested to learn more about the Delorme InReach. :) If you have time, please visit my ACR ResQLink thread, and share your experience.

http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=14367

Also, if you have time, please do start a thread on the Delorme InReach. I am pleased with several features only available from this unit; it provides two-way communication, and tracking. Also, you aren't locked into a yearly service plan, as with the SPOT devices. ;) You can select a monthly service fee, and pay only when you need it. :tup:

http://www.inreachdelorme.com/freedom/

[AZRider]

Ram mount has almost universal recommendation. Best supplier?


I've always had great service and selection from GPSCity.

http://www.gpscity.com/

[SpudRider]

I have a wally world GPS (Garmin) that worked well enough to and from Kansas on my New yrs trip (in my Insight:). May try it on the bike.
Ram mount has almost universal recommendation. Best supplier?...

What model Garmin do you have?

[thillskier]

I am investigating the DeLorme and ACR systems as I totally agree with its need..on a bike even more than cross country ultralighting! (for me, at least;)!hehe
Cheap insurance, for a very big downside should it be needed, and NOT available;)!
Ram mount on the way:)
The current GPS I have is a Garmin Nuvi 50. It was a Black Friday special for $75.00(or so, I think).

[SpudRider]

Did you order a power cord? I think the Nuvi 50 will only run for 2 hours on battery power.

I am going to wait a little before I purchase the ACR ResQLink PLB. I discovered ACR periodically issues $50 rebates, and I am going to wait until the next rebate is available. ;)

[G19Tony]

Did you order a power cord? I think the Nuvi 50 will only run for 2 hours on battery power.

I am going to wait a little before I purchase the ACR ResQLink PLB. I discovered ACR periodically issues $50 rebates, and I am going to wait until the next rebate is available. ;)

I have an older ACR. They say to replace them every 5 years. I need to do that. Also, be sure to register your beacon with NOAA.

[SpudRider]

I have an older ACR. They say to replace them every 5 years. I need to do that. Also, be sure to register your beacon with NOAA.

Thanks for the good tips, Tony. :) I'm just learning about the PLBs, so I don't know much about the older units. You can test the new units for battery strength and proper satellite connection. However, each test drains the battery a little. After 6 years owners are supposed to send the PLBs to an authorized service center to replace the battery. Opening the units will void the 1-year warranty. However, one can easily replace the batteries himself in the new ACR ResQLink PLBs. I provide the details in my other thread, which is linked below. ;)

http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=14367

[thillskier]

Definitely got the cord:)! A must with that unit...and its less than 1 hour, IMHO:)..

[G19Tony]

Thanks for the good tips, Tony. :) I'm just learning about the PLBs, so I don't know much about the older units. You can test the new units for battery strength and proper satellite connection. However, each test drains the battery a little. After 6 years owners are supposed to send the PLBs to an authorized service center to replace the battery. Opening the units will void the 1-year warranty. However, one can easily replace the batteries himself in the new ACR ResQLink PLBs. I provide the details in my other thread, which is linked below. ;)

http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=14367

I also have an older SPOT. Along with the subscription, I pay a little extra and get 100K worth of rescue insurance. Helicopters aren't cheap. I've heard of people getting hit with the bill. :wtf:

[SpudRider]

I also have an older SPOT. Along with the subscription, I pay a little extra and get 100K worth of rescue insurance. Helicopters aren't cheap. I've heard of people getting hit with the bill. :wtf:

Thank you; the rescue insurance is another excellent tip. :tup: I might be wrong, but I think one can purchase the rescue insurance from SPOT, even if he doesn't own a SPOT device.

[SpudRider]

Definitely got the cord:)! A must with that unit...and its less than 1 hour, IMHO:)..

Good for you. :tup: I think Garmin claims 2 hours of battery service, but I'm not surprised the actual service is lower. ;)

Make sure you find a way to hold the power cable securely in the USB port of the Garmin Nuvi. Otherwise, the vibrations from riding will weaking the USB port, resulting in intermittent problems, and ultimate damage to the port. :ohno:

[thillskier]

My son, stationed at Ft Riley, KS is a 2nd yr MP there. He is still "low on the totem pole" so get no holidays off, but is building some leave days for my parents 60th anniversary, and his 20th birthday cruise this July.
he had a few small dirt riders and an atv , but never a proper motorcycle or any on road riding experiences. He got my email re my RX=3 and the ride back and if following this thread somewhat (time allowing for now).
He is thinking the perfect solution for leaving here, and then not needing a rental when home visiting, PLUS we can have some great time doing some adv rides from KS and here:)!

It would make the perfect transportation solution for his occasional time here to visit his family on both sides (his mom and I are separated with new families for over 10 yrs). Maybe even get a trade in/up bike if someone buys it and is dissatisfied after Baha ride or whatever:)!
Is there a popular and well used China bike classifieds anywhere? Maybe we should start one SPUD;)! for QUALITY chinese products ONLY, ie those proven to have sales, parts, and warranty suport as promised, to insure a non freefall resale pricing market.

IF there is one already (or some) please link me to them...I believve MANY eople will be interested in such a site, AND will help insure OUR RX-3's will not experience undue loss at resale, f we get in a pinch or decide to change for whatever reason(s)...

[SpudRider]

We have a Free Classifieds forum on this website. :)

http://www.chinariders.net/forumdisplay.php?f=129

I don't know of any other classified ads for Chinese motorcycles only. :shrug: If you wish to pursue other options, I do encourage you to start a thread on this topic in our Off-Topic/General Discussion forum. :)

[thillskier]

Excellent point (re damaged and intermittent power through USB port on Nuvi, ESPECIALLY on a vibrating bouncing motorcycle, exposed to wind, and the elements!
What is YOUR solution SPud, (or is your power supplied differently?

Link for Rescue insurance anyone? I bet thats EXPENSIVE AS ALL HELL!

DOn't they give you a choice/heads up BEFORE doing any billed rescue work, though, and any choices as to alternate (cheaper) solutions to your emergency? (IE: Sea Tow (if a boat), or wrecker service if applicable for your "emergency".

I read some of the stories of "rescues". Many are just pissed/scared/angry/frustrated dates/wives/husbands/significant others, not happy with getting wet and cold and the engine stopping(ON A SAILBOAT)!! no less, in GStream, less than 30 miles off shore fully provisioned and no injuries.

There are some complaints that CGdoesn't tow their boat if non life threatening...
I believe protocol is if emergency without outside assistance requested (when it would not endanger anyones life) they shoot and or otherwise scuttle the boat, so its not a navigation hazard to other mariners.
Seems harsh, possibly, BUT cuts down on frivilous or non life threatening emergency calls, I'll wager;)!

[thillskier]

Thanks,Spud! I'm checking it out now...

[thillskier]

Great idea, Spud. I'll do just thAT ON HERE..mAY pm YOU BEFORE HAND FOR YOUR HELP..i'D WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU THINK ITS AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE...tWO HEADS BETTER THAN ONE AND ALL THAT;)!
Oops, sorry bout them caps...

[SpudRider]

Excellent point (re damaged and intermittent power through USB port on Nuvi, ESPECIALLY on a vibrating bouncing motorcycle, exposed to wind, and the elements!
What is YOUR solution SPud, (or is your power supplied differently?...

Because it only has a USB port, I always use AA battery power for my Garmin, eTrex Legend HcX, GPS receiver. ;) I suggest you check the following thread at ADVRider for ideas regarding how to power your Garmin Nuvi via the USB port. ;)

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=614360

[thillskier]

Thanks SPud.(again;0!
I started a new thread about an idea I had to have owners post up where they are located (home), if they have any services to offer fellow ZOngers, what they are, etc.
Link is below:
http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?p=178429#post178429
If thats not right, please help, Spud:) hehe!

[SpudRider]

That's a nice idea, and a good thread. :) You also chose a good location for it. :tup:

[thillskier]

Thanks Spud. If, (like on the Cummins Turbodiesel truck site) people sign up and input first, then use it, it will grow into a fantastic resource. The Turbo Diesel Guide has saved my A$$ 3 or 4 times from a tow or service bill. I only needed a shop space once, but it sure was better than on the dirt (which was wet from rain:)! The fellow members "moral support" and handing me tools, ferrying me to the store etc, was REALLY handy!

SInce 2 persons already volunteered this type help for my ride back to ALabama with the new rX-3, I figure there are many others Like me (and you) who will gladly help other traveling ZOng owners in need of some help, place to stay/camp, and or assistance repairing (or maintaining) their motorcycles. SOme will eventually have a spare parts bike or 3, possibly, if like the dodge forum members! Thats REALLY helpfull to keep on the road...borrow (or buy) a used part from the listed person, then either return it when the ordered part arrives, or you source one used, or buy that part, if for sale... Having a paved AND Heated shop would make a HUGE difference in even maintaining bikes this time of year! (if crazy enough to be adv riding in the cold!:) hehe

[thillskier]

By the way, everyone, my engine/shop area is oops IS HEATED:)! and fan cooled in Summer when needed:)!

[katoranger]

No heat or air in mine. I have a fan.

[thillskier]

ALL l I can afford is a fan, esp with Summer power bill! hehe Cooling my house is expense enough:)!

The box stove I got used for $50.00 from a co-op. The scraps from work are the fuel, and some firewood from fallen wood scruff around the property is great and fits my budget also:). The old single wall stove pipe runs through the wall and a steel collar (so the wall doesn't contribute to the heat;)! NOT a good thing...

Besides, a concrete or wood floor is all that is really needed....AFter too many times road side, on wet muddy ground, numb dirty fingers dropping everything, just not having that wind blast and a dry floor, that is HEAVEN to me)!

[katoranger]

Its dry and a concrete floor.

[thillskier]

Dry is Good! (So is level)!!

[SpudRider]

As we all know, the Zongshen RX3 doesn't have a kick starter. If the battery dies and you are not located on a nice slope, you will probably have trouble getting the motorcycle started. ;) Therefore, it might be a good idea to purchase a portable jump starter. This device can jump start your automobile as well as your motorcycle, and it can provide power to charge your cell phone, et cetera, while traveling. One of the first portable jump starters introduced to North America was the Microstart XP-1, sold by Antigravity.

http://shop.antigravitybatteries.com/micro-start-xp-1/

The operation of this device is demonstrated in the video below. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf7u8rQTt94

[SpudRider]

The Microstart XP-1 has an MSRP of $159.95. However, you can buy this unit for $96, with free delivery, from Amazon. :)

http://www.amazon.com/Antigravity-Batteries-Micro-Start-Starter-Personal/dp/B00FDYYK4A

http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server5400/fpetv/products/74/images/228/PPS_inside_case_400x__26450.1405442716.1280.1280.p ng?c=2

Now you can also buy a Chinese version of the Microstart XP-1 for $84.99, with free delivery. :)

http://www.amazon.com/Bolt-Power%C2%AE-13600mAh-Portable-Starter/dp/B00MALQTMK/ref=sr_1_2?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1422442754&sr=1-2&keywords=Bolt+Power+12V+Portable+Car+Jump+Starter

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDkyWDUwMA==/z/AzcAAOSwQJhUcRvF/$_12.JPG

[thillskier]

Anyone know if EFI will function if trying to "jump start" our bikes oops I mean push start w/o a jump of electrons? (just from the stator)..

[katoranger]

Dry is Good! (So is level)!!


You can't have everything.

[SpudRider]

Anyone know if EFI will function if trying to "jump start" our bikes oops I mean push start w/o a jump of electrons? (just from the stator)..

Yes, I believe you can bump start an EFI motorcycle, as long as the battery emf is not under 9 volts or so. As long as you have sufficient energy to power the fuel pump and electronics, you can start the bike and the charging system should keep the engine running until you stop the engine. The following posts support this conclusion. ;)

http://www.hdforums.com/forum/general-topics-tech-tips/571316-push-start-your-bike.html
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/bodger-fix/push-start-an-efi-bike-60084

If the battery is completely dead, you will need a jump start from another vehicle, or you will need a portable jump starter such as the Antigravity Microstart. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYLFgMiyyqE

[katflap]

Any one for a Gold Rx3 !

http://shop.zongshenmotor.com/index.php?controller=site&action=products&id=153

not my colour but nice pics

I have been checking out the Zongshen Rx3 forum via google translate.
quite interesting but google translate could do with being a bit better.

http://bbs.zongshenmotor.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=77

I did find this thread that seems to suggest a method for restoring the default ECU settings . Might be useful in the future.

It states EFI system recovery initialization requires five consecutive switch key (on then off i guess)
wait 15 seconds before restarting. http://bbs.zongshenmotor.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=12918&extra=page%3D9

My Rx3 should be delivered to me next week :yay::yay: oh yeah! :yay::yay:

[G19Tony]

Anyone know if EFI will function if trying to "jump start" our bikes oops I mean push start w/o a jump of electrons? (just from the stator)..

I was able to push start my Honda Grom when the battery had died. Of course, it didn't hold a charge, but I did get it to run.:)

[G19Tony]

Any one for a Gold Rx3 !

http://shop.zongshenmotor.com/index.php?controller=site&action=products&id=153

not my colour but nice pics

I have been checking out the Zongshen Rx3 forum via google translate.
quite interesting but google translate could do with being a bit better.

http://bbs.zongshenmotor.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=77

I did find this thread that seems to suggest a method for restoring the default ECU settings . Might be useful in the future.

It states http://bbs.zongshenmotor.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=12918&extra=page%3D9

My Rx3 should be delivered to me next week :yay::yay: oh yeah! :yay::yay:


Thats PIMP!. Not for me either. I would not mind a set of those street wheels, just to have them around. Congratulations on getting your bike! :clap:

[SpudRider]

Any one for a Gold Rx3 !

http://shop.zongshenmotor.com/index.php?controller=site&action=products&id=153

not my colour but nice pics

I have been checking out the Zongshen Rx3 forum via google translate.
quite interesting but google translate could do with being a bit better.

http://bbs.zongshenmotor.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=77

I did find this thread that seems to suggest a method for restoring the default ECU settings . Might be useful in the future.

It states http://bbs.zongshenmotor.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=12918&extra=page%3D9

My Rx3 should be delivered to me next week :yay::yay: oh yeah! :yay::yay:

Thanks for posting the links to the interesting information. :)

The gold RX3 appears to have a stainless steel, exhaust header. I like the bend of this exhaust header and the more protected location for the O2 probe. :)

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/exhaust%20header%20bung_zps9fmprjll_1.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/exhaust%20header%20bung_zps9fmprjll_1.jpg.html)

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/header%20bung%202_zpscceqt1oo_1.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/header%20bung%202_zpscceqt1oo_1.jpg.html)

As for the color, I still prefer orange to gold. ;)

Please do post photos of your Honley Adventurer 250 after it arrives! :tup:

[Weldangrind]

Anyone know if EFI will function if trying to "jump start" our bikes oops I mean push start w/o a jump of electrons? (just from the stator)..

I'd be inclined to guess that there could be trouble if the battery is much less than 12V. The battery should be near 13V at rest, since 12V is only theoretical.

I'm in agreement with Spud that a booster is a good plan.

[SpudRider]

I just visited the CSC blog. Our Zongshen RX3 bikes are being built with the superior, stainless steel, exhaust header. :tup:

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/IMG_1111-6-650.jpg

Please note the improved location of the O2 sensor, and the more direct curve to the muffler, which eliminates the previous, big downward loop of the pipe. :) I am very pleased Zongshen continues to improve this motorcycle. :tup:

[SpudRider]

Here is a comparison of the new exhaust header, versus the old exhaust header. :)

http://img04.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i4/TB1euh3FVXXXXXIXVXXXXXXXXXX_!!0-item_pic.jpg

http://img02.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i2/T1InRRFGVcXXXXXXXX_!!0-item_pic.jpg

[Weldangrind]

The gold RX3 appears to have a stainless steel, exhaust header. I like the bend of this exhaust header and the more protected location for the O2 probe bung. :)

That means they're available! :D

[Weldangrind]

Here is a comparison of the new exhaust header, versus the old exhaust header. :)

Much better! Good news that the headers are now stainless.

[SpudRider]

It is also nice to see the bikes resting on the front wheel with the center stand deployed, even if the luggage is not yet installed. ;) A center stand certainly does facilitate fixing a flat tire on either wheel while traveling, even if the bike is inclined to rest on the rear wheel. If necessary, you can use a stick, or rock, to support the swingarm while you remove the rear axle. After you pull the rear axle, the weight of the rear wheel is removed, and the bike will certainly shift balance to the front wheel. ;)

[SpudRider]

Much better! Good news that the headers are now stainless.

That exhaust header certainly appears to be stainless steel. :) What do you think, Weld?

[SpudRider]

The Tourfella luggage certainly does look nice. ;)

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/rear%20view%20luggage_zpsxhpulgsb_1.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/rear%20view%20luggage_zpsxhpulgsb_1.jpg.html)

[SpudRider]

Lately I have been wondering about the size of the mudflap which protects the shock absorber from debris cast forward from the rear wheel. If you examine the following video, you can see a very nice mudflap visible from 2:30 to 2:34. :tup: Our friend from Greece posted this video. I hope he will check in and report his experience with the bike, and hopefully post some photos from beautiful, historic Greece. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhscnGbTiTo

[CSCDude]

Following the posts on this site is very interesting, even for us folks who work at CSC!

On the gold bike...that's Zongshen's Anniversary Edition. We thought about bringing a few of them in, but we ultimately decided not to. The cost is higher than the standard bike, and the cast wheels are not available with a 17-inch rear wheel, and we decided (for now) to stick with the four colors we are bringing in (blue, orange, red, and white).

Regarding the mudflap protecting the rear shock, it's big enough. I was impressed when I first saw it. If I remember, I'll grab a photo of it in the next day or so and post it on the blog.

I've got a bit more info on the Baja trip on the blog, and it's going to be great. Still no date until we know what's happening with the dockworkers.

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Baja-650.jpg

Good note on the exhaust pipe...not much gets by you folks!

I'm going to be rolling on some serious miles this weekend...watch for more photos on the blog on Monday or thereabouts. We've got the weather for it here in So Cal, and for all you folks back east, stay warm!

[CSCDude]

As for the color, I still prefer orange to gold. ;)



You and I both, Spud. Although the blue is growing on me. That is a stunning bike (I already have a blue jacket). And the red...wow! And the white...it's just stunning.

Maybe I'll stick with yellow.

Decisions, decisions.

So, let me throw out a feeler...what colors do you think would go well on the 2016 RX3 motorcycles?

[SpudRider]

...So, let me throw out a feeler...what colors do you think would go well on the 2016 RX3 motorcycles?

Thanks for checking in, Joe. :)

I think the current colors cover the bases very well. :) However, it's always nice to have more options. Perhaps some future owners would prefer black. Personally, I don't like black motorcycles, but some people do. ;) It might be nice to have a darker, KTM Orange, in addition to the yellow-orange. However, I prefer the brighter, yellow-orange. :) I'm sure some riders would like Kawasaki Green.

[jimjr21]

Color choices would be to stick within the primary and secondary colors with white and black. Only addition might be pink and silver or gray.

Might be interesting to see frame color choices. White and silver would look good. Or body color matching with the current 4 colors.

[Wolftrax]

Wow I'm impressed. A couple of my niggles about the RX3 have been addressed. The rear wheel and O2 bung location, bingo fixed. Now as long as Joe is searching for colors for 2016, how about a 2016 RX5(450cc) in matte gray.:tup:

[G19Tony]

I will be getting the center stand,tinted windshield,oil filter pack. I'm thinking about the USB and Cig port, but as I understand it, only one can be powered at a time. I'd like both to be powered. I'll see as time goes on.

Are these prices installed? :hmm:

[Wolftrax]

The only accesory I'm interested in is one that currently isn't offered. The stainless reusable oil filter would be nice.

[jimjr21]

The shorter header will also improve top end power. Along with staying out of way if off-road debris from front tire. Should be a nice improvement along with the better asthetitcs.

[Weldangrind]

That exhaust header certainly appears to be stainless steel. :) What do you think, Weld?

Joe responded before I did; sounds like we got our confirmation. :D

[Weldangrind]

Thanks for checking in, Joe. :)

I think the current colors cover the bases very well. :) However, it's always nice to have more options. Perhaps some future owners would prefer black. Personally, I don't like black motorcycles, but some people do. ;) It might be nice to have a darker, KTM Orange, in addition to the yellow-orange. However, I prefer the brighter, yellow-orange. :) I'm sure some riders would like Kawasaki Green.

All excellent suggestions, and I also like the idea of additional frame colours.

[Weldangrind]

The shorter header will also improve top end power. Along with staying out of way if off-road debris from front tire. Should be a nice improvement along with the better asthetitcs.

Yep. Better bend, stainless and a smarter O2 sensor location. Win!

[RedSpruce]

I am really pleased with the new exhaust header! Like everyone else I was concerned about the old O2 sensor position.

Joe, Silver would be my choice for a additional color option.

[rascalflyer]

Wow I'm impressed. A couple of my niggles about the RX3 have been addressed. The rear wheel and O2 bung location, bingo fixed. Now as long as Joe is searching for colors for 2016, how about a 2016 RX5(450cc) in matte gray.:tup:

I am getting the RX-3 but if we got an RX-5 I would get that too for sure.

[detours]

So, let me throw out a feeler...what colors do you think would go well on the 2016 RX3 motorcycles?

Desert sand (not camo) would be cool.

I'm pretty excited about the latest improvements ... stainless pipe and relocated O2 sensor. Thanks Zongshen!

[G19Tony]

Desert sand (not camo) would be cool.

I'm pretty excited about the latest improvements ... stainless pipe and relocated O2 sensor. Thanks Zongshen!

I would be interested in Desert Sand too. :)

[3banger]

Yes very happy to the SS exhaust. It would be interesting to see the difference in dyno results from the older longer exhaust vs this one. My guess would be a bit of lower end torque traded for a bit more peak power. Though lots of power isn't really the point of this motorcycle, I'm much more interested in it having linear smooth power rather then a peaky motocross engine.

It's amazing how flexible the Zongshen factory is making rapid changes like this. I think it speaks to a thoroughly modern manufacturing process.

Finally I've noted all of the more recent CSC photos of the RX-3 show CSC badging. While I'm note apposed to the CSC logo I really did like the Zongshen dragon wing roundle on the side of the tank fairing. Is that something we will be able to get after we receive the bike? I'll happily keep CSC on the luggage and would like to have both Zong and CSC badging on the bike. I know this is being nit-picky but hey it's the Internet and we are all killing time until we get our bike.

[SpudRider]

Desert sand (not camo) would be cool.

I'm pretty excited about the latest improvements ... stainless pipe and relocated O2 sensor. Thanks Zongshen!

I would be interested in Desert Sand too. :)

I'm very pleased to be getting the fastest, yellow-orange motorcycle. :) However, I also think desert sand would be popular. :tup:

[SpudRider]

...It's amazing how flexible the Zongshen factory is making rapid changes like this. I think it speaks to a thoroughly modern manufacturing process...

I'm fascinated to see how many people on other websites are willing to publicly expose their ignorance regarding Zongshen motorcycles. :ohno: Zongshen has been building good engines and reliable motorcycles for a long time. :) Zuo Zongshen is committed to quality control and improving his market. I wouldn't bet against him. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Fl3YfL5mM

[SpudRider]

...Finally I've noted all of the more recent CSC photos of the RX-3 show CSC badging. While I'm note apposed to the CSC logo I really did like the Zongshen dragon wing roundle on the side of the tank fairing. Is that something we will be able to get after we receive the bike? I'll happily keep CSC on the luggage and would like to have both Zong and CSC badging on the bike. I know this is being nit-picky but hey it's the Internet and we are all killing time until we get our bike.

I'm sure Joe will address this issue, but I have only seen CSC rebadge the camouflage wraps for the plastic and luggage. CSC has stated they do not plan to rebadge the motorcycle, and I don't believe they have changed their position on this matter. I agree with them. :)

Zongshen is a quality manufacturer with a large and expanding international market. I am pleased to sport the Zongshen markings on my motorcycles. :) If one wants to purchase a Zongshen RX3 in North America, he can only get it from one vendor, CSC. Therefore, there is absolutely no need to rebadge the bike. ;)

[SpudRider]

Garmin manufactures the Zumo series of GPS receivers for street motorcycles. These are nice units, but they are very expensive. ;) TomTom has announced they will release the new, improved, 2015 version of their Rider GPS receiver for street bikes in April. :) Parlez-vous francais?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBdNqF-edqE

[rjmorel]

Since the first batch of bikes were scheduled to ship here to US on 1-25-15, I'm thinking they were already made weeks ago and loaded in a ocean going container and I wonder if they will have the new SS head pipe? rj

[SpudRider]

Since the first batch of bikes were scheduled to ship here to US on 1-25-15, I'm thinking they were already made weeks ago and loaded in a ocean going container and I wonder if they will have the new SS head pipe? rj

Joe can confirm, or deny, but I think our bikes have the new, improved, stainless steel, exhaust headers. :tup: These photographs from the CSC blog show the RX3 bikes with the following features, which are specific to our bikes, but are not included with the stock motorcycles. :)

The stock light switch has been converted to a power switch with Off, Auxiliary 1, and Auxiliary 2, power positions.

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/right-handle-bar-5-650.jpg

The deluxe wiring harness includes plugs for the auxiliary, USB and cigarette lighter, power plugs.

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/A1-A2-CONNECTOR-UNDER-THE-SEAT-6-650.jpg

A size 130/70-17, rear wheel has been substituted for the stock, 15-inch rear wheel.

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/rear-tire1-3-650.jpg

[SpudRider]

If you don't own a GPS receiver for your street bike, you might consider the new, TomTom Rider GPSr, which is being release in April. :) As shown in the video below, you can choose a 'twisty roads' route using the TomTom Rider. :tup: I started a new thread on this GPSr at the following link. ;)

http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?p=178609&posted=1#post178609

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMZSEqO_7TI

[jimjr21]

Since the first batch of bikes were scheduled to ship here to US on 1-25-15, I'm thinking they were already made weeks ago and loaded in a ocean going container and I wonder if they will have the new SS head pipe? rj

With the shipping delay created by the Union strike for the longshoremen here in the USA, I am positive the factory pushed our production behind other orders that can ship immediately.

This is a good thing overall as we continue to get a more refined product for the initial purchase.

[SpudRider]

With the shipping delay created by the Union strike for the longshoremen here in the USA, I am positive the factory pushed our production behind other orders that can ship immediately.

This is a good thing overall as we continue to get a more refined product for the initial purchase.

I agree! :tup: Here is a photograph from the CSC blog posted on Christmas Eve of last year, showing an RX3 motorcycle coming off the production line. You will notice it has the old exhaust header. ;)

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/DSC0295-650.jpg

The inclusion of the new, stainless steel, exhaust header is a wonderful enhancement. :tup: The new exhaust header will save me a lot of time, money, and effort, since I always install a stainless steel, exhaust header on all my motorcycles. :) The stainless steel is much more resistant to rust, and far easier to clean than a regular exhaust header. :tup: The relocation of the O2 sensor is also a major improvement. :)

I won't be riding until the weather warms up. Please delay the shipment; I will be happy to receive even more improvements added to our RX3 motorcycles. :lol:

[rjmorel]

Spud "I won't be riding until the weather warms up. Please delay the shipment; I will be happy to receive even more improvements added to our RX3 motorcycles."

I second the motion Spud, latest and the greatest is bestest. rj

[thillskier]

SSteel header thats not drooping (Old one was kinda lame looking now that the new design is installed) ..IMHO.
The new ss one looks like every other ADV or MX bike..Probably a positive in every way...(Or the "big 4" would change theirs:)! I am quite confident saying.

In 2 weeks, I'll be a lot better equipped to know when I can ride back, anyways..SO, keep those improvements coming:)! Throw ALL our BIKES in that "Briar Patch" of mo better:)hehe

[thillskier]

RJ, I am in full agreement:). (see previous post(s).

[Weldangrind]

I would be interested in Desert Sand too. :)

Me too. I'm not big on camo, but either desert sand or olive drab would be cool choices to have.

[Weldangrind]

Joe can confirm, or deny, but I think our bikes have the new, improved, stainless steel, exhaust headers. :tup: These photographs from the CSC blog show the RX3 bikes with the following features, which are specific to our bikes, but are not included with the stock motorcycles. :)

The stock light switch has been converted to a power switch with Off, Auxiliary 1, and Auxiliary 2, power positions.

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/right-handle-bar-5-650.jpg

The deluxe wiring harness includes plugs for the auxiliary, USB and cigarette lighter, power plugs.

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/A1-A2-CONNECTOR-UNDER-THE-SEAT-6-650.jpg

A size 130/70-17, rear wheel has been substituted for the stock, 15-inch rear wheel.

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/rear-tire1-3-650.jpg

The auxiliary connectors and switch positions are a nice touch.

[thillskier]

For me, especially, I understand. I said blue, w/o reservation, when on initial reservation. Then..I saw white...and loved it! and justified cooler gas (less evap) better mpg:)..o1% MAYBE hehe
I'm still prolly a blue, but I'm not deciding till CSC says, NOW:)!

[rjmorel]

Are the auxiliary plugs on the wiring harness easy to come by or do we just wack em off and put on the ol battery tender style available at auto zone? rj

[thillskier]

Radio Shack, or Amazon, or google:). (or PM me...)..

[detours]

I'm sure Joe will address this issue, but I have only seen CSC rebadge the camouflage wraps for the plastic and luggage. CSC has stated they do not plan to rebadge the motorcycle, and I don't believe they have changed their position on this matter. I agree with them. :)

I like the ZongShen logo too. But I noticed the Jan 24 blog had rebadged the camo, yellow and blue RX3s with the CSC logo. I wonder if that was just for the bike shows.

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/?p=14843

[SpudRider]

I like the ZongShen logo too. But I noticed the Jan 24 blog had rebadged the camo, yellow and blue RX3s with the CSC logo. I wonder if that was just for the bike shows.

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/?p=14843

You have a sharp eye. ;) I'm sure CSC has a lot of extra stickers remaining from the camouflage wrap production; I don't know what they plan to do with them. :shrug: Personally, I prefer the Zongshen logo.

[SpudRider]

Are the auxiliary plugs on the wiring harness easy to come by or do we just wack em off and put on the ol battery tender style available at auto zone? rj

The auxilary plugs in the photograph are used to connect the wires from the auxiliary power outlets, which are located on both sides of the digital dashboard.

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/A1-A2-CONNECTOR-UNDER-THE-SEAT-6-650.jpg

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/DSC0001-650.jpg

Another two power outlets, A1 and A2, will be located under the saddle. These auxiliary power outlets will be controlled by the switch on the right handlebar, under the engine kill switch.

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/right-handle-bar-5-650.jpg

When the switch is set to '0,' both of the power outlets under the saddle are turned off. When the switch is set to 'A1,' the A1 outlet will have power. When the switch is set to 'A2,' the A2 outlet will have power. ;)

Most battery tenders for motorcycles come equipped with a 2-wire, SAE plug which connects directly to the battery terminals. After connecting this wire to the battery, you tuck the pigtail connector on the other end into some convenient, accessible spot on the motorcycle. You can then connect the battery tender to the battery with a similar SAE connector without removing the saddle, or you can remove the saddle and use the supplied jumper cables.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7m_hhnuUf0-3G33SHHC4841neeeJcjye3bblY3ieTngPGD-GA-YBAyHBwzcxvXP4Y211zn0QH&usqp=CAY

Therefore, I suggest you don't remove either of the auxiliary power connectors on the wiring harness. :ohno: Leave them in place for the optional power outlets on the dashboard, or for some other future accessory. ;)

[G19Tony]

The auxilary plugs in the photograph are used to connect the wires from the auxiliary power outlets, which are located on both sides of the digital dashboard.

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/A1-A2-CONNECTOR-UNDER-THE-SEAT-6-650.jpg

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/DSC0001-650.jpg

Another two power outlets, A1 and A2, will be located under the saddle. These auxiliary power outlets will be controlled by the switch on the right handlebar, under the engine kill switch.

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/right-handle-bar-5-650.jpg

When the switch is set to '0,' both of the power outlets under the saddle are turned off. When the switch is set to 'A1,' the A1 outlet will have power. When the switch is set to 'A2,' the A2 outlet will have power. ;)

Most battery tenders for motorcycles come equipped with a 2-wire, SAE plug which connects directly to the battery terminals. After connecting this wire to the battery, you tuck the pigtail connector on the other end into some convenient, accessible spot on the motorcycle. You can then connect the battery tender to the battery with a similar SAE connector without removing the saddle, or you can remove the saddle and use the supplied jumper cables.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7m_hhnuUf0-3G33SHHC4841neeeJcjye3bblY3ieTngPGD-GA-YBAyHBwzcxvXP4Y211zn0QH&usqp=CAY

Therefore, I suggest you don't remove either of the auxiliary power connectors on the wiring harness. :ohno: Leave them in place for the optional power outlets on the dashboard, or for some other future accessory. ;)

Thank you for explaining that, Spud. I will definately get the dash mounted outlets now. I guess I didn't read the part about the under saddle outlets. :)

[SpudRider]

I will be getting the center stand,tinted windshield,oil filter pack. I'm thinking about the USB and Cig port, but as I understand it, only one can be powered at a time. I'd like both to be powered. I'll see as time goes on.

Are these prices installed? :hmm:

I am going to add heated grips and hand guards to my RX3. I will probably purchase both items from Rocky Mountain ATV/MC. :)

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/998/23097/Tusk-Grip-Heater-Kit?term=tusk%20heated%20grips

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/images/prod/400/t/tus_09_gri_hea_kit-2.jpg

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/1036/9550/Tusk-D-Flex-Handguards-Spoilers?term=d-flex%20handguards%20with%20spoilers

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/images/prod/400/t/tus_def_kit_yel-blk.jpg

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/1036/9546/Tusk-D-Flex-Handguard-Big-Bar-Adaptor-%28P%29?term=big%20bar%20adapters

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/images/prod/400/t/tus_dflex_bbar_ada.jpg

I will probably ride the RX3 for a few thousand miles before I decide on additional accessories. ;)

[SpudRider]

Thank you for explaining that, Spud. I will definately get the dash mounted outlets now. I guess I didn't read the part about the under saddle outlets. :)

You're welcome, Tony. :)

[SpudRider]

If you get a TomTom Rider GPS receiver, you can have Yoda give you directions for the turns ahead. :) If you are interested in learning more, you might enjoy reading my thread at the following link. ;)

http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=14379

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdcJVuylmsM

[SpudRider]

Replacing the stock, 15-inch rear wheel was a necessity. ;) Having a 17-inch rear wheel gives RX3 owners access to a wide selection of excellent rear tires. :tup:

You can't go wrong with either the Dunlop D606, or the Perelli MT21; both are perennial favorites with dual sport riders. :)

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/1089/4399/Dunlop-D606-Dual-Sport-Tire
https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/1093/3522/Pirelli-MT21-Dual-Sport-Rallycross

I would like to try the Kenda Big Block tire at some point in the future. ;)

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/1090/35416/Kenda-K784-Big-Block-Dual-Sport-Adventure-Rear-Tire

If you are riding an adventure in the sloppy springtime, you cannot beat the aggressive tread of the Kenda K760 TrakMaster. :)

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/1090/5395/Kenda-K760-Trakmaster-II-Tire

You certainly can't beat the affordability of the Shinko 244, Kenda K270, or Shinko 705 rear tires. :tup:

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/1468/40554/Shinko-244-Series-Dual-Sport-Tire
https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/1090/5383/Kenda-K270-Dual-Sport-Tire
https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/1468/34609/Shinko-705-Rear-Dual-Sport-Motorcycle-Tire

With the 17-inch rear wheel you can easily find a tire tread to suit your preferred riding style, and the seasonal road conditions. :)

[thillskier]

I'll let the forum know sources and info I find... and can bring a supply out when I come to get the bike for anyone needing them. They then can be installed before Baha, or for others riding home, installed before everyone's departures. However, if they prove problematic, I'll whack, and solder, and liquid electrical tape, shrink wrap, then color coded electrical tape them:)!! hehe
I definitely do NOT want to fry ANYTHING due to a short when riding. With my "luck" kwrma, etc, it'll happen somewhere out in BFE, and if it did fry, I could, catch bike on fire, or melt harness, ECU, blow battery (Li ION lightweight, just installed, probably:), or fry some God Awfully expensive part thats eternally going in circles waiting to be unloaded with the other parts and bikes from China...NAaah, Solder and be ANAL with any electrical changes/upgrading/repairs...This:clap:or :tup:...definitely NOT >:( or :doh:!! hehe

:thanks:

[G19Tony]

I am going to add heated grips and hand guards to my RX3. I will probably purchase both items from Rocky Mountain ATV/MC. :)

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/998/23097/Tusk-Grip-Heater-Kit?term=tusk%20heated%20grips

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/images/prod/400/t/tus_09_gri_hea_kit-2.jpg

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/1036/9550/Tusk-D-Flex-Handguards-Spoilers?term=d-flex%20handguards%20with%20spoilers

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/images/prod/400/t/tus_def_kit_yel-blk.jpg

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/1036/9546/Tusk-D-Flex-Handguard-Big-Bar-Adaptor-%28P%29?term=big%20bar%20adapters

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/images/prod/400/t/tus_dflex_bbar_ada.jpg

I will probably ride the RX3 for a few thousand miles before I decide on additional accessories. ;)

Heated grips and handguards are a must! I'll be adding the Highway Dirt Bikes handguards. As for heated grips. I'll research more. Thanks for the link. :tup:

[thillskier]

Those are EXCELLENT plugs, and Harbour Freight sells them in a kit cheap, like 10 bucks! The "kit" has a cig lighter, USB port, test led light,Spring clamps (Jumper cable type, PERFECT for our bikes), spare male and female plugs, and a bit more. Certainly a great value, and super usefull. They stay somewhat waterproof, and have never given me a problem, even when wet. I HAVE NOT used in a salt water marine environment, and would not recommend that, as its not oringed or sealed past simple friction when pushed together. Also, unsure of metal composition, thus rust resistance. However, if you spray with "Boeshield" or "Corrosion Block" (my favorite you GTGo, in salt or ANY corrosive environment I've encountered! Its designed for aircraft electrical systems used in a salt water floatplane marine environment, and works as advertized, which is AMAZING! really.

Google it, and order from factory or distributor. I will spray my entire bike, pretty much, to insure it doesn't rut, and electrical contacts remain contacting:)! ECU boards when accessible are a great idea to coat/spray, for peace of mind:).
I usually spray EVERY transistor and connection when doing jobs, so they have a "head start" re corrosion and issues related to that.
It works by evaporating the super light oils off and then leaving a waxy (looking) residue that has covered EVERYTHING before it evaporated and condensed. The runniness when initially sprayed, and the fine atomization of the nozzle insures a very good coating, and it goes Everywhere, under around, and through (if possible) f the entire electronic board, all wire and connectors, etc.!

I originally found/saw it at a dealer Boat show in ATlanta, late 1980's. They had an aquarium 1/2 full of SALT water. In it was placed a small TV (old style, 80's, remember:), which was ON, and plugged into a grounded 110v ext cord.
Ran like that ALL WEEKEND! never skipped a beat, even.
Bought 2 cases for my boat then and there.
That boat, 10 yrs later, had a Pioneer CAR stereo, unprotected at that point, frame rusted to all hell. BUT turn it on and it sounded GREAT! Perfect, as NEW:). There was NO corrosion on any board in the unit I could see anywhere. Speakers lasted a Summer, MAYBE, before rusting frozen, usually, and before that, def not "full range of sound" even sprayed best we could into magnets and voice coils...

That was a notoriusly "WET riding boat
, and salt water routinely was dripping off the radio while it blasted sound as it should:) AMAZING, IMHO.

I buy electrical connectors (specialty ones for SOlar Panels) from a company that specializes in oddball connectors. I'll see what they can do when I get back to my Home office, and post it up here.

[thillskier]

I posted on one of these forums my list and its very similar to yours. I contacted RMMC about our bikes and the Baha Grp ride (and needs for that, as well as others riding home, or simply wanting Farkles and accessories for our new bikes:).
Hopefully, we can get a Group Buy discount to apply to the purchases. I want my stuff shipped to CSC, so I can install for the ride back.
There will be a pretty good sized GBuy, with our grp. Anyone know how many are planning the Baha trip?
If we have 30+ in the grp buying a couple hundred + of stuff, that SHOULD get some discounts for us.

As soon as I have time, I'll try to follow up on this and post it up! Maybe this PM and the ride home:)!
Thanks for posting your needs on here. Its amazing how close our orders would be...insuring our grp is a good candidate for a Gbuy set up with SOMEONE's company:)!hehe

[Weldangrind]

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/DSC0001-650.jpg


That is a really nice dash! I'd like to incorporate elements of it into my bikes.

[rascalflyer]

yup that is a beautiful dash, I wish I could put one like that on my DRZ400.

[SpudRider]

That is a really nice dash! I'd like to incorporate elements of it into my bikes.

yup that is a beautiful dash, I wish I could put one like that on my DRZ400.

I agree. :) Zongshen did a great job with the Siemens digital dashboard. :tup:

[Wolftrax]

Offhand does anyone happen to know the capacity of the OEM luggage? I'm loving the three way switch on the controls. Perfect spot for heated grips, A1 low,A2 high and of course O off.

[Wolftrax]

I am going to add heated grips and hand guards to my RX3. I will probably purchase both items from Rocky Mountain ATV/MC. :)

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/998/23097/Tusk-Grip-Heater-Kit?term=tusk%20heated%20grips

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/images/prod/400/t/tus_09_gri_hea_kit-2.jpg

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/1036/9550/Tusk-D-Flex-Handguards-Spoilers?term=d-flex%20handguards%20with%20spoilers

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/images/prod/400/t/tus_def_kit_yel-blk.jpg

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/1036/9546/Tusk-D-Flex-Handguard-Big-Bar-Adaptor-%28P%29?term=big%20bar%20adapters

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/images/prod/400/t/tus_dflex_bbar_ada.jpg

I will probably ride the RX3 for a few thousand miles before I decide on additional accessories. ;)

I'm right there with you on this. I can't think of anything else that is already original equipment. OK maybe a power point, but that's an easy buy at NAPA.

[detours]

You have a sharp eye. ;) I'm sure CSC has a lot of extra stickers remaining from the camouflage wrap production; I don't know what they plan to do with them. :shrug: Personally, I prefer the Zongshen logo.

Well, it's official ... the logo is changing to CSC.

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/?p=14922

[Weldangrind]

Boo. I understand the business decision, but boo.

[SpudRider]

CSC is doing all the work to bring the bike to North America. I prefer the Zongshen logo, but I'm not getting agitated over a couple of stickers. ;)

[thillskier]

Spud, u nailed it, GREAT PIC, and even better design.
Clear analog tach, with sweep needle, and large enough #'s to see, night or day and easily readable speedo! Perfect, IMHO...
I'd LOVE to add the accessory panels, but 100 extra isn't doable currently:(..
Meds, Dr's, unexpected expenses, some related to Hep C, all conspire to cut out most extravagancies....except (hopefully, barring a DISASTER) the bike!
hehe After all this drooling and anticipation, I 'm ready:)!

[Wolftrax]

Really is to bad about the branding. If Zongshen's goal is to be a worldwide brand they are not making any steps forward by not controlling they're brand. Why is rebranding so endemic in the Chinese manufacturing culture. I'll suggest that it allows them to build to a price point and sell with little consequence. The quality and value equations are ignored for the sake of profit. In a quality culture ownership of the product ensures continuing high standards.

[SpudRider]

Really is to bad about the branding. If Zongshen's goal is to be a worldwide brand they are not making any steps forward by not controlling they're brand. Why is rebranding so endemic in the Chinese manufacturing culture. I'll suggest that it allows them to build to a price point and sell with little consequence. The quality and value equations are ignored for the sake of profit. In a quality culture ownership of the product ensures continuing high standards.

I agree, but Zongshen is not interested in the North American market. That is why Zongshen America closed its doors several years ago, and CSC is importing the RX3 to these shores. Zongshen believes it cannot compete with the widespread availability of slightly used, Japanese motorcycles for sale in the United States, and it is probably correct. Zongshen is interested in selling motorcycles to its huge domestic market, and the rest of the third world. If Zongshen thought it could compete successfully here, it would not have shut down the operations of Zongshen America.

[SpudRider]

Zongshen allowed the RX3 to be rebadged as the Minsk TRX 300i in Belarus, because it was not interested in establishing a corporate presence in that relatively small marketplace. However, Zongshen believes it can compete in Russia, so it established a presence in that country as Zongshen Russia.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://zongshen-russia.ru/&prev=search

Zongshen believes its market strength in North America is roughly equivalent to its market strength in Belarus, but it believes it can sell a significant number of motorcycles in Russia. Therefore, Zongshen shut down the operations of Zongshen America, and either maintained, or established new operations as Zongshen Russia.

[SpudRider]

Lest I be misunderstood, I do believe Zongshen is interested in improving quality control, developing new products, and expanding its markets. However, Zongshen is content to sell containers of motorcycles to North America via CSC. Zongshen withdrew its presence as Zongshen America, because it believes it can sell many more motorcycles in the third world. Zongshen obviously believes it isn't cost effective to maintain a corporate presence in the United States, and it is probably correct in that estimation.

[NoVa Rider]

Thanks again to posters on this thread: its been great following developments while waiting through a cold winter to get my hands on my RX-3.

Random thoughts: Press reported on January 26 that the West Coast longshoremen were close to an agreement, but nothing since. One article said it would take months to get Los Angeles port back to normal, which reminded me of a point made by a poster on this thread.

I concur on comments on rebadging. I liked the looks of the Zongshen badge but would be happy to build some recognition for CSC. I presume the rebadge also changes the logo on the sidecases and the instrument cluster. At least we are not going to have to explain what "Honley" means. (And what does Honley mean, anyway?)

And good on CSC for keeping the RX-3 in the motorcycle press. Motorcycle.com just had an update with CSC's information on the accessories.

A recent question was posed on the volume of the stock luggage. I would guess low to mid-20 liters per bag. But I'd also like to know the permitted weight for the bags.

And speaking of accessories, one of my 'dream' options would be a set of extra size lids that could replace the lids on the stock bags. Swap the locks, bolt the new lids in place, and have space (possibly) for a full face helmet or two. Honda did that with their NT700V (aka Deauville), offering wider accessory lids for the integrated panniers. Although only offered in Europe, most US NT owners (including me) have swapped. But the side panniers still have the original modest weight limit, so you need to be careful.

And last, based on the users manual, it seems the RX-3 has a chain with a master link, rather than a continuous chain. One more check in the "plus" category :yay: Means you'll be able to remove chain for a good occasional cleaning (kerosene recommended), just be sure the mount the master link clip in the right direction.

[thillskier]

Spud, the grip warmers, how difficult is the install? How long do they last usually? Has anyone resolved the "handlebar (alum) pulling the heat away" issue? (How much of an issue is it, really?)
My list, currently (repost) PLUS CSC accessories added when they made them available...CSC accessories:Tank Bag, oil filters (until the stainless reusable ones are available).Is there a list for these anywhere or has someone started trying to source them, yet?Count me in, pls if so!
Ebay (alredy have it:)!! Ram mount for the bike and GPS:)!
RMMC sourced: Bar "Mitts", some type of grip heating, loop bag, led taillight/blinker assy,heated vest, header(possible) if a pipe bomb gets developed, Electronic Jet Kit, and exhaust.
Seat solution to give some leg room and more comfortable longer rides in comfort.

For the initial buy and trip home:
Bar Mitts & heaters (if cold), loop bag, seat solution of some type (air?) until seat customization gets done., GPS mounted(have Ram mount now:), heated vest, (if cold), drilled muffler central baffles, open air box, and EJK (if available). MAY drive to Dobrek, if needed, for EJK manufacture template.
Someone else posted on here they were also considering this as well.

[G19Tony]

Well, it's official ... the logo is changing to CSC.

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/?p=14922

It's not a deal breaker by any means, but, :tdown:

[culcune]

People, you guys have short memories. Then again, not sure if this will play out the same here (i.e. exclusive distributorship which is probably the case due to CSC doing all the emissions stuff) but the Spud-based Zongshen was sold under three brand names in the US: Zongshen, Qlink, and Vento at one time. The Vento-branded bike had a camo-graphics scheme, and I don't remember what colors the Qlink was available in, while the Zongshen came in black, and super-duper fast, Spudrider orange and I believe one more forgettable color. I liked the camo theme of the Vento, but overall I coveted the orange Spudrider color the most.

[Weldangrind]

Lest I be misunderstood, I do believe Zongshen is interested in improving quality control, developing new products, and expanding its markets. However, Zongshen is content to sell containers of motorcycles to North America via CSC. Zongshen withdrew its presence as Zongshen America, because it believes it can sell many more motorcycles in the third world. Zongshen obviously believes it isn't cost effective to maintain a corporate presence in the United States, and it is probably correct in that estimation.

I completely agree, hence my "boo" commentary above. I'm not agitated by the decision to mask their brand, but I am disappointed. I admire Zongshen, and I'd be pleased to have their name on my clutch cover.

[Weldangrind]

Really is to bad about the branding. If Zongshen's goal is to be a worldwide brand they are not making any steps forward by not controlling they're brand. Why is rebranding so endemic in the Chinese manufacturing culture. I'll suggest that it allows them to build to a price point and sell with little consequence. The quality and value equations are ignored for the sake of profit. In a quality culture ownership of the product ensures continuing high standards.

I would say there is an element of truth and reality there, but not necessarily with Zongshen. They (IMHO) are a breed apart from most Chinese manufacturers.

Despite rebranding, Zong makes an excellent product. Aside from the rebranding, they have total control over manufacturing and quality.

[Weldangrind]

And last, based on the users manual, it seems the RX-3 has a chain with a master link, rather than a continuous chain. One more check in the "plus" category :yay: Means you'll be able to remove chain for a good occasional cleaning (kerosene recommended), just be sure the mount the master link clip in the right direction.

I'm also careful to mount the chain in the same direction, and the same side up. I don't know if it makes any difference at all, but I do it anyway.

[SpudRider]

I completely agree, hence my "boo" commentary above. I'm not agitated by the decision to mask their brand, but I am disappointed. I admire Zongshen, and I'd be pleased to have their name on my clutch cover.

As usual, I agree on all points. I hope my comments weren't misunderstood to be a disagreement with your 'boo.' I concur with you, and Tony. In fact, Tony said it much better, and much more concisely than I. ;)

It's not a deal breaker by any means, but, :tdown:

[thillskier]

Zong needs to somehow separate from the pack, I'd think (not just by investing in R&D and then quality motorcycle construction). They have done that, IMHO, with the RX-3, especially.
IMHO (again:), this bike catches on, (which I think is a given:)! We still have to "defend" the bikes to net troll morons spitting out 10 yr old BS info re quality.
Selfish of me...yah:)! sooo..

Spud, CERTAINLY has proven the reliability of the AIR/OIL cooled bikes. How much better should the water cooled bikes last?
Just my 2C, and its not a deal breaker for me by any stretch.

[Wolftrax]

I would say there is an element of truth and reality there, but not necessarily with Zongshen. They (IMHO) are a breed apart from most Chinese manufacturers.

Despite rebranding, Zong makes an excellent product. Aside from the rebranding, they have total control over manufacturing and quality.

Yes I did make a sweeping generaliztion. I'm disappointed that both CSC and Zongshen didn't insist on calling it what it is. I would be proud to ride a Zong.

[thillskier]

I started in late 1960's off road age 10? My first DS was a 1971 Suzuki Gaucho:)!! Damn was I proud! and it'd do 60+ mph (indicated). It went Ind 64, many times:)!!Even got on I85!! back then:) hehe world cruiser...(if I chose) I thought..maybe so, in retro with its use/abuse and then my really WFO bro when he was 14. A really great rider (Wayne P) remembered him on that 50, doing a 56 mile Hare Scramble!! 42 yrs ago! (and Wayne won the "open class":)! He (brother) finished, and is using that toughness and perseverance today.

[thillskier]

Agreed Weld well stated/spoken.

[Mudflap]

Put some Zongshen decals on it.

Yes I did make a sweeping generaliztion. I'm disappointed that both CSC and Zongshen didn't insist on calling it what it is. I would be proud to ride a Zong.

[detours]

I would be proud to ride a Zong.

Me too. I like the Zong logo (yeah, a little better), but the CSC logo is cool. And all props to them for running all the hurdles, hassles and risks of a new vehicle import.

:clap:

Maybe not a lot of risk ... I think this bike is going to fly off the lot. I know if the RX3 was out last year, I would have bought it instead of my Vstrom 650. Not that I'm selling the strom. But I'll take the Cyclone offroad and maybe give my wife something faster than her 125 to ride with me :)

[rjmorel]

Or we can do like a lot of KLR owner's do and put a BMW badge on it. Then we could tell people that asked what brand it was, its a Zongidoubleyou. Would that void my warranty? rj

[thillskier]

detours stated
"Maybe not a lot of risk ... I think this bike is going to fly off the lot."
I strongly agree with your statement, detours. What with the adv movement taking off in interest, aftermarket, and press coverage, coupled with there being NO competition from other manufacturers in the 1/4 liter size of adv bike, its unreal price to equipment VALUE quotient, proven/proving long distance "chops" (which will rapidly expand with USA riders racking up adv miles ASAP we get the bikes.) If they hold up (as I think they will of course), they will sell extremely well, IMHO. It looks like they already are, in other markets, based on assy line pic in the CSC blog, and articles on adv sites from Russia and other markets and countries!

Lets face it, guys..These bikes better be stone reliable stock and modded (within reason, of course, equal to Japanese quality and reliability, or t hats the ONLY thing that could make this venture fail or become shaky, IMHO. Right time, for the right product, at the right price.
Details are what sold me. EFI, big plus for best MPG and mod friendly tweaking. Already has large enough tank, panniers and case, larger stator, aux plugs for GPS and devices charging, PRICE to value ratio, and more. I was looking at wrr250 used, but this is cheaper to buy, and I don't immediately need another 2000+ for tank, hard cases wiring in GPS and phone charger, pssibly radar det. and more. Even at 3495, its a no brainer for me. I'm also loving the 250 size. Perfect for 2 lane 60mph to 65 cruise. Faster than that it will do, but that bike (and any other as well, is quickly less fun at 70+mph, IMHO due to wind blast, boredom (if on Interstate), etc. We have the ABILITY to Interstate is needed without harming the bikes, BUT, ideally, stay on the direct less traveled roads. Another plus on those roads is usually cheaper food (and better:)!, accomodations, and nicer, more appreciatve people of your stopping in and business:). ALL plusses IMHO.

[Wolftrax]

Or we can do like a lot of KLR owner's do and put a BMW badge on it. Then we could tell people that asked what brand it was, its a Zongidoubleyou. Would that void my warranty? rj

Now we're talking. :)

[thillskier]

Found this, kicking around the net this AM for a possible used deal in case we get delayed unreasonably...
'99 Kawasaki KLR 250 Endo - 4k Original Mileage - $2500 (st pete)

http://images.craigslist.org/00z0z_4XONqAwlLA3_600x450.jpg





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Asking 2500 or best offer


Think I'm REALLY liking our deal even more on the NEW warranted 2 yrs, RX-3's! Not much more $ for a new, not 16 yrs old, bike!
No brainer for me.

[rascalflyer]

I rather wait, it's nice though. With all of the stuff going on at the port of LA I figured I am going to get the new RX3 around May or June which is ok with me. I always take a long trip in July when it gets too hot here in Las Vegas.

[thillskier]

Posted at (bottom of reply), 16 yrs old, and almost same as early buyers pricing, w/o warranty, etc.

[SpudRider]

Or we can do like a lot of KLR owner's do and put a BMW badge on it. Then we could tell people that asked what brand it was, its a Zongidoubleyou. Would that void my warranty? rj

Now we're talking. :)

I'm not bothered by the CSC stickers; they are small and unobtrusive. ;) If one wishes, he can easily peel them off and leave the bike without stickers, or he can substitute other stickers. :) Here are some BMW stickers I found on eBay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-58MM-DIA-SOFT-GLOW-IN-DARK-GEL-STICKER-DECAL-BADGE-for-BMW-MOTORCYCLES-CARS/231228820176?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%2 6asc%3D20141212152715%26meid%3D2c9ab7ee3ece43749c6 2b487bb8b9498%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D30%2 6sd%3D330781546896

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/330781546896?lpid=82&chn=ps

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-PAIR-OF-68MM-ALUMINUM-STICKER-DECAL-for-BMW-MOTORCYCLES-CARS/231326613970?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%2 6asc%3D20141212152715%26meid%3D63845eb5dd1847b0b00 8995658ce209e%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D24%2 6sd%3D301163768498

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-BMW-Motorcycle-2-Decals-R-K-1200-LT-RT-GT-R-CS-CL/151517312028?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%2 6asc%3D20141212152715%26meid%3D63845eb5dd1847b0b00 8995658ce209e%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D24%2 6sd%3D301163768498

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA==/z/VCsAAOSwQItT5k6c/$_12.JPG

[Weldangrind]

Found this, kicking around the net this AM for a possible used deal in case we get delayed unreasonably...
'99 Kawasaki KLR 250 Endo - 4k Original Mileage - $2500 (st pete)

http://images.craigslist.org/00z0z_4XONqAwlLA3_600x450.jpg





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Asking 2500 or best offer


Think I'm REALLY liking our deal even more on the NEW warranted 2 yrs, RX-3's! Not much more $ for a new, not 16 yrs old, bike!
No brainer for me.

I have that bike, although mine is a '93. It's in pieces right now, but when I finish it, I'll likely ask $2500.00, and get close to that amount.

[SpudRider]

Here are some Zongshen stickers I found at Taobao. :)

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.87.D0D9MI&id=42085290665&ns=1&abbucket=18#detail

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.125.D0D9MI&id=42066991330&ns=1&abbucket=18#detail

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.79.D0D9MI&id=42115253528&ns=1&abbucket=18#detail

http://gd4.alicdn.com/bao/uploaded/i4/TB19xv0GFXXXXXWXVXXXXXXXXXX_!!0-item_pic.jpg_400x400.jpg_.webp

You can buy the Zongshen, fuel tank stickers at Taobao for 15.00 Chinese Yuan, which is $2.40 USD.

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.201.WDI5MO&id=40272650137&ns=1&abbucket=18#detail

[SpudRider]

Spud, the grip warmers, how difficult is the install? How long do they last usually? Has anyone resolved the "handlebar (alum) pulling the heat away" issue? (How much of an issue is it, really?)...

Installing the Tusk Grip Heaters is very straightforward, and easy, as long as one understands electrical wiring. These grips heaters work very well, and will last for years. I have installed them on both my Zongshen ZS200GY-2, and my Honda XR650L. :)

I put a single layer of one-inch, heat shrink wrap over the left handlebar before I install the left hand grip. The shrink wrap insulates the heater element from the handlebar, and greatly reduces heat loss. :)

...oil filters (until the stainless reusable ones are available).Is there a list for these anywhere or has someone started trying to source them, yet?Count me in, pls if so!...

The stainless steel, reusable oil filters are widely available for sale at Taobao, the Chinese version of eBay. The steel oil filters cost 29.90 Chinese Yuan, which is $4.78 USD. You can buy practically every part of the RX3 motorcycle, and the NC250 engine, at Taobao. However, shipping charges are high, so it is best to order everything you need in a single shipment. ;) By the time I am finished ordering parts for my Zongshen ZS200GY-2, the shipping charges are usually $75, or higher. However, I still save a lot of money by buying Zongshen parts from Taobao, rather than buying Yamaha parts from U.S. vendors. ;)

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.17.1Hz6wX&id=17954122427&ns=1&abbucket=18#detail

[thillskier]

I'd like to order 2 reusable filters if anyone orders these (and is certain they are compatible). I'd pay any expenses plus a "finders fee" for their trouble. I still will use the CSC filter initially, maybe even sporadically, after I ascertain the size difference (if any) of passed particles the filters allow.

Same re Zong stickers.( Cost + finders fees and shipping, of course.) I'll leave the CSC ones on for the warranty period, as long as I get warranty as promised..thats fair, right:)? Its one yr, Parts and Labor, and an additional yr parts only, correct?
How will owners doing warranty if/when required be handled re labor cost?
What if there is some upgrade or recall?

Honestly, if there is a safety or functionality issue I can repair/upgrade, just ship me parts, give good tech support re install, and I'm good without $ for any labor. (Likely slower than someone doing it 5 times daily anyways)! However, if the washer on the crank isn't secured, and that causes oil starvation, then some other issue like that happens, I'm wanting to probably drop it off and let someone else deal with it. Not likely, I'm sure, but I don't want to be a
"beta tester" thats uncompensated.
If the bike was free, and, for that, I agreed to ride 10,000 miles (or whatever) a year, and have possible rebuilds enroute, thats another thing alltogether.

I feel 99.999% thats not happening. I think everyone on here having put deposits down for the initial and second batches feel the same way. Zong doing the around China sponsored ride was an example of that ALREADY done, and proving the bikes reliability, and suitability for extended miles and loong trips, cross country, and otherwise racking up hard miles in proof of the bikes excellent engineering and suitability for its intended use. LONG, trips. LOTS of miles, without much (if any) maintainance. Easy to perform said maintainance, when//if needed, though.

I'm going to give mine every long life advantage I know to do, then ride it's wheels off:)! (God and health allowing:)! Amsoil Motorcycle Synthetic oil (after break in with RotellaDiesel 10w40 for 1000+miles), Oil sample testing, best oil filtering available, and temp monitoring (oil cooler added if needed, maybe anyway:).
I'd like to have 10,000 mile patches to owner/members, 20,000 mile, and so on to hopefully 100,000? miles?(If interest is high in a group, maybe a club?)
Spud? WHat is expected rebuild life for these? Since its water cooled, it SHOULD be longer than air/oil cooled bikes, right? (other things being equal, of course). We KNOW that in excess of your proven 67,000 miles!:). I'd be soooo happy to go that mileage w/o needing a rebuild:)! Honestly, I hope I can even get to RIDE that much, before I need a rebuild:)!! hehe

If a big bore QUALITY kit is available (or similar power adder thats PROVEN safe,) I'm going to pull the trigger before that # of miles for the new top end and piston/rings kit, anyway. So moot point...Oh, and wow, I gotta mull over the warranty!! With the 2 yr parts warranty, I risk losing that support, probably, should I hot rod it above the basics that CSC/Zong allows. 1 yr Jap (and european bikes IF that long) weren't an issue, 2 yrs is a bit more, and definitely AFTER the mod bug bites, usually:)!
Steve, or Gatling, Big bore , etc mods are unavailabe, so moot now, but any idea re big bore, EJK upgrade, header/muffler upgrading and warranty stance re performance mods..?
Honestly, every other car, bike, boat, snowmobile, etc. has a no mods allowed by dealers (to the extent the law allows here in ALabama, if pushed, and a problem occours). That may be USA policy as well. Not sure though. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable re legal/warranty can answer that question (or CSC), if they have even considered it yet...:)!
Fun to dream about these fun things though:)!

[jimjr21]

Regarding warranties and their validity in the USA they must abide by the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

Here is the best way to think about a warranty coverage as the consumer.

If you modify the product from its original state the modification must be proven to cause the malfunction to not be warrant able.
The burden of proof is by the manufacturer.

For example- If you modify the head with larger valves and portwork and instal a tuner with the fuel injection and the transmission gear(s) to break.
The manufacturer will say its the extra load and the consumers responsibility. In actuality the manufacturer must prove that the changes caused the breakage.

Now if it was the clutch slipping that would be a gray area, but the manufacturer would have legitimate claim to denial.

[jimjr21]

I have already talked to Steve @ CSC about hop up parts.

Apparently big bore kits were looked at already and the engine was designed on a small format so they will not fit.

However I have a complete engine and other parts coming to make hop up parts. Valves, valve springs, cams, pistons, cranks, clutch springs, sprockets, brake pads, brake rotors should all be available very shortly from me after some reverse engineering and performance parts manufacturing. Cylinders, heads, clutch plates, transmission gears will all be a bit longer.

I can't wait to see what kind of power I can get out of this engine platform.

[Weldangrind]

Wow! Did you buy an engine on Taobao?

[Wolftrax]

I'm betting on getting at least a couple of hp by simple fueling changes and opening up the intake and exhaust. The AJP PR5 come stock spec'd at 27hp. As I plan to build this bike as an overlander I'm going to be very conservative with my performance enhancements so I don't jeopardize reliability.

[jimjr21]

Finding a reliable 10% power is usually easy. Finding the next 10% gets more tricky, trading some reliability for power. Then the scale starts sliding more and more.

I think I can get 15-20% reasonable then maybe 40% or more. Higher outputs would be more towards the guys using the engine in the dirt bikes racing them.

The different header pipe should increase HP as it would flow better on top end. That could be half the power increase for the AJP. Or a more free flowing muffler (but louder)

[SpudRider]

I really like the stainless steel exhaust header. :tup: I don't think this exhaust header has a catalytic converter inside it. What do you guys think?

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/stainless%20header%20back%20side_zpss6xfjjtm.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/stainless%20header%20back%20side_zpss6xfjjtm.jpg.h tml)

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[SpudRider]

Likewise, I don't think the midpipe leading to the muffler has a catalytic converter. Am I wrong?

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20and%20heat%20shield_zpsg9t4xeo2.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20and%20heat%20shield_zpsg9t4xeo2.jpg.html )

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20left%20hidden%20side_zpsq0bmufcl.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20left%20hidden%20side_zpsq0bmufcl.jpg.htm l)

Please note the nice, large outlet from the muffler. :) I wish my two Honda mufflers had such large outlets. ;)

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20outlet_zpsla5atzo5.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20outlet_zpsla5atzo5.jpg.html)

[jimjr21]

There is no catalytic converter in those images. Also looks like a very nice free flowing design.

[SpudRider]

I'm very inclined to keep the stock muffler. It should be easy to remove the end cap and check for any obstructions to exhaust flow. If necessary, I think it will be easy to modify this muffler. The large end cap should provide easy access for drilling a few holes in any baffle, or otherwise removing any large obstructions. :)

After inspecting, and possibly modifying the muffler, I am inclined to loan my RX3 to Dobeck Performance, and have them develop an EJK controller for the bike. :)

[SpudRider]

There is no catalytic converter in those images. Also looks like a very nice free flowing design.

Thank you for your feedback, Jim. :)

[jimjr21]

I'm very inclined to keep the stock muffler. It should be easy to remove the end cap and check for any obstructions to exhaust flow. If necessary, I think it will be easy to modify this muffler. The large end cap should provide easy access for drilling a few holes in any baffle, or otherwise removing any large obstructions. :)

After inspecting, and possibly modifying the muffler, I am inclined to loan my RX3 to Dobeck Performance, and have them develop an EJK controller for the bike. :)

A controller of some sort will be required for what I plan on doing.

[SpudRider]

A controller of some sort will be required for what I plan on doing.

Do you agree with my assessment of the stock muffler? I'm not inclined to spend money on an aftermarket muffler, especially when the stock muffler looks so good. ;)

After inspecting/modifying the stock muffler, I will inspect the air box, and possibly enlarge the intake opening.

http://img02.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i2/56676386/T2FjZrXXVbXXXXXXXX-56676386.jpg

[SpudRider]

I plan on keeping the foam, air filter element, and oiling it with BelRay oil.

http://img02.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i2/T13ZFdFMJeXXXXXXXX_!!0-item_pic.jpg

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/images/prod/400/b/bel_15_foa_air_fil_oil_1l.jpg

[SpudRider]

After making these minor modifications, I would then submit the bike to Dobeck Performance for development of the EJK controller. ;)

[SpudRider]

Incidentally, the RX3 has a nice, large airbox. :tup: Notice the spacious, unrestricted tube leading from the air box to the throttle body. :) Also, the foam air filter appears to be 6.25-inches square. :tup:

http://img02.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i2/56676386/T2FjZrXXVbXXXXXXXX-56676386.jpg

[SpudRider]

I just found this Zongshen decal on Taobao. :)

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.144.KfOFFK&id=43068963586&ns=1&abbucket=18#detail

http://gd4.alicdn.com/bao/uploaded/i4/TB1073oGVXXXXXfXVXXXXXXXXXX_!!0-item_pic.jpg_400x400.jpg_.webp

[jimjr21]

Without seeing the inside of the muffler it is hard to determine the restriction that it has. The outside shape looks like it would have a single bypass design.

Airbox is a nice large. The opening may be adequate. Will have to put it on the flow bench and test it. Design also looks good to remove water from intake.

I am not a fan of the foam type filters. Too easy to choke the air flow with excess oil.
How thick is the filter? Can find a standard K&N to drop in there if there is enough space.

[SpudRider]

Without seeing the inside of the muffler it is hard to determine the restriction that it has. The outside shape looks like it would have a single bypass design.

Airbox is a nice large. The opening may be adequate. Will have to put it on the flow bench and test it. Design also looks good to remove water from intake.

I am not a fan of the foam type filters. Too easy to choke the air flow with excess oil.
How thick is the filter? Can find a standard K&N to drop in there if there is enough space.

Yes, I need to receive the RX3 before I can inspect the muffler. If the stock muffler is very restricted, I might consider purchasing an aftermarket muffler. However, the design of the stock muffler looks promising to me. :)

I apply the minimum amount of filter oil, and I get good results from foam air filters. :) I don't trust K&N air filters for off road riding. ;) Since it is easier to apply sparingly, I use No-Toil oil on the conical air filters in my Honda CRF250X and Honda XR650L. It does a very good job filtering dust and allows excellent air flow, which is superior to that allowed by conventional filter oils. However, I still prefer using BelRay filter oil for flat foam filters, since it is much easier to squeeze the flat foam and remove the excess oil. Therefore, I prefer BelRay oil for the flat foam filters employed by my Zongshen ZS200GY-2, and the Zongshen RX3.

Judging from the photograph, it appears the RX3 air filter is about 1/2-inch thick. :shrug:

[Wolftrax]

Likewise, I don't think the midpipe leading to the muffler has a catalytic converter. Am I wrong?

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20and%20heat%20shield_zpsg9t4xeo2.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20and%20heat%20shield_zpsg9t4xeo2.jpg.html )

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20left%20hidden%20side_zpsq0bmufcl.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20left%20hidden%20side_zpsq0bmufcl.jpg.htm l)

Please note the nice, large outlet from the muffler. :) I wish my two Honda mufflers had such large outlets. ;)

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20outlet_zpsla5atzo5.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20outlet_zpsla5atzo5.jpg.html)

It does look like a clean flow from the header through the midpipe. I'm betting the cat is in the muffler right where the midpipe inlet is. Both the CRF250l and TR650 had cats in the muffler just as I described. The Husky was easy to knock out the cats with an air hammer. The Honda is more complicated involving opening the can up and re-welding. That muffler looks like it weighs a ton!!:lol:

[Wolftrax]

After making these minor modifications, I would then submit the bike to Dobeck Performance for development of the EJK controller. ;)

I hope you do Spud. Dobeck's little black box has been the best and most versatile performance mod I've ever put on a bike. :tup:

[Weldangrind]

I really like the stainless steel exhaust header. :tup: I don't think this exhaust header has a catalytic converter inside it. What do you guys think?

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/stainless%20header%20back%20side_zpss6xfjjtm.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/stainless%20header%20back%20side_zpss6xfjjtm.jpg.h tml)

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/stainless%20header%20front%20side_zpsceo0riaq.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/stainless%20header%20front%20side_zpsceo0riaq.jpg. html)

It could. I can't figure out why else there would be a weld bead at that specific point. There is no need for welding during the bending process. Also, it looks like the diameter might change at the bead.

One won't know until a wire is pushed down the pipe.

[Weldangrind]

Likewise, I don't think the midpipe leading to the muffler has a catalytic converter. Am I wrong?

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20and%20heat%20shield_zpsg9t4xeo2.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20and%20heat%20shield_zpsg9t4xeo2.jpg.html )

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20left%20hidden%20side_zpsq0bmufcl.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20left%20hidden%20side_zpsq0bmufcl.jpg.htm l)

Please note the nice, large outlet from the muffler. :) I wish my two Honda mufflers had such large outlets. ;)

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20outlet_zpsla5atzo5.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/muffler%20outlet_zpsla5atzo5.jpg.html)

I don't see any indications in the midpipe, but the muffler could definitely be hiding a cat. I'd be shocked if there was no cat with this bike, due to emissions regs.

If the cat isn't in the header, I'd be swapping that muffler out. It's probably really heavy anyway.

BTW, the large outlet might be for appearances only. I've certainly seen that before.

[Weldangrind]

Do you agree with my assessment of the stock muffler? I'm not inclined to spend money on an aftermarket muffler, especially when the stock muffler looks so good. ;)

After inspecting/modifying the stock muffler, I will inspect the air box, and possibly enlarge the intake opening.

http://img02.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i2/56676386/T2FjZrXXVbXXXXXXXX-56676386.jpg

Hopefully the stock airbox will meet your needs, perhaps with a simple mod.

[Weldangrind]

Will have to put it on the flow bench and test it.

You have my full attention. Did you fabricate a flow bench?

Since you declined to answer my question about your RX-3 motor, perhaps you'll tell me about your flow bench. :hehe:

[Weldangrind]

Spud, you may remember this old thread about Pastor Jim's scooter, where I found a cat in the muffler: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=9421

[jimjr21]

You have my full attention. Did you fabricate a flow bench?

Since you declined to answer my question about your RX-3 motor, perhaps you'll tell me about your flow bench. :hehe:

I missed that. :doh:
Not from Tabao.

I have a Superflow SF-60 that will work great.

[Weldangrind]

May I ask where you bought the motor from? Top secret?

Your personal flow bench?

[jimjr21]

Source asked to remain unknown at this time.

Yes. Own a race engine machine shop so lots of fun toys.

[detours]

I'll be watching everyone's mods with interest, but I have to say the pipes look great as is ... mandrel bends, short pipes, pretty constant diameter (at least on the outside), stainless steel, good location for the O2 sensor.

Now the old pipe didn't impress, with the long bend, the big dip to the bottom of the engine and the weird O2 location.

We'll see about the muffler, but I've had more bad luck than good modifying my vehicles over the years. Every change is expensive and requires adjusting 3 other things to make it work. And if I get more power on the top end, I lose it on the bottom. Or it runs worse.

Not knocking power mods, just my experience. YMMV :tup:

[SpudRider]

It does look like a clean flow from the header through the midpipe. I'm betting the cat is in the muffler right where the midpipe inlet is. Both the CRF250l and TR650 had cats in the muffler just as I described. The Husky was easy to knock out the cats with an air hammer. The Honda is more complicated involving opening the can up and re-welding. That muffler looks like it weighs a ton!!:lol:

We might be pleasantly surprised with the weight of the muffler, or we might not. ;) The Honda XR650L muffler looks very heavy, but it is only 2 pounds heavier than an FMF aftermarket muffler. :tup: Nevertheless, the Chinese are not noted for their concern regarding weight reduction, so the stock muffler might be as heavy as it looks. ;)

If a catalytic converter and/or weight becomes a problem, I don't think it would be very difficult to cut the midpipe from the muffler, and substitute an FMF Universal Spark Arrestor for the stock muffler. :)

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/2012%20Rides/March/Zongride3-21-12003.jpg

[SpudRider]

I hope you do Spud. Dobeck's little black box has been the best and most versatile performance mod I've ever put on a bike. :tup:

Monday afternoon I called Dobeck Performance, and talked to the secretary. They owner and the tech guy were not in the office, so I hope they will contact me in the next few days. ;)

[SpudRider]

It could. I can't figure out why else there would be a weld bead at that specific point. There is no need for welding during the bending process. Also, it looks like the diameter might change at the bead.

One won't know until a wire is pushed down the pipe.

I hope a catalytic converter isn't located in the exhaust header. :ohno:

[SpudRider]

I don't see any indications in the midpipe, but the muffler could definitely be hiding a cat. I'd be shocked if there was no cat with this bike, due to emissions regs.

If the cat isn't in the header, I'd be swapping that muffler out. It's probably really heavy anyway.

BTW, the large outlet might be for appearances only. I've certainly seen that before.

Spud, you may remember this old thread about Pastor Jim's scooter, where I found a cat in the muffler: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=9421

Yes, I certainly do remember your excellent thread. :tup: I think you are probably correct, and a catalytic converter is hiding somewhere in the exhaust system. I certainly hope the RX3 muffler is not designed similarly to the scooter muffler you dissected. :ohno:

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t109/Weldangrind/Saga%20Scooter/DSC05930.jpg

[Weldangrind]

I hope a catalytic converter isn't located in the exhaust header. :ohno:

If it is, I bet that your buddy could cut, gut and weld the header for you. If he can't, I will.

[SpudRider]

If it is, I bet that your buddy could cut, gut and weld the header for you. If he can't, I will.

Thank you for the kind offer, Weld. :)

[Wolftrax]

We might be pleasantly surprised with the weight of the muffler, or we might not. ;) The Honda XR650L muffler looks very heavy, but it is only 2 pounds heavier than an FMF aftermarket muffler. :tup: Nevertheless, the Chinese are not noted for their concern regarding weight reduction, so the stock muffler might be as heavy as it looks. ;)

If a catalytic converter and/or weight becomes a problem, I don't think it would be very difficult to cut the midpipe from the muffler, and substitute an FMF Universal Spark Arrestor for the stock muffler. :)

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/2012%20Rides/March/Zongride3-21-12003.jpg

How noisy is that FMF can. I have a Powercore on my Honda with a quiet core insert and it's loud but tolerable. Heck I always wear ear plugs regardless how loud or quiet the exhaust.

[Wolftrax]

Spud. How often do you get asked what model KTM is that?

[SpudRider]

How noisy is that FMF can. I have a Powercore on my Honda with a quiet core insert and it's loud but tolerable. Heck I always wear ear plugs regardless how loud or quiet the exhaust.

That FMF silencer is not loud at all. :) It is U.S.F.S. approved for noise levels as well as spark suppression. It is easy to mount, easy to repack, very rugged, and inexpensive. I love it. :tup:

[SpudRider]

Spud. How often do you get asked what model KTM is that?

I've lost count; I still get asked all the time how much I like my KTM. ;)

[SpudRider]

I'm proud of my Zongsen Sierra (ZS200GY-2), and I always correct people when they mistake it for a KTM. I could easily rebadge the Zong as a KTM, but I proudly keep the Zongshen markings on the right crankcase cover, and the saddle. :)

One could put BMW stickers on the Zongshen RX3, and it would easily pass for a Beemer. ;) However, I am happy to ride Zongshen motorcycles, and I will continue to correct anyone who mistakes my RX3 for a BMW, or any other make of motorcycle. :)

[thillskier]

I really like the way the Ace 125 retro cafe bike looks and is set up. I was looking into them (dreaming) and there was a section removing the cat from the header due to extreme breathing restriction of the engine. It was at the header muffler interface.
If we have a similar set up, I will remove mine, cut, remove, and reweld the exhaust, after I drill out the mid baffles if the RX-3 has them. This should make the tone a bit deeper, and allow some better breathing, especially removing the restrictive cat in exhaust can or header.

The large exhaust hole can be then exploited best:), especially after opening up any airbox restriction(s)! The ejk should get 10% or so more hp, close to AJP output or maybe better:). I want to look into a helmholtz design using header and exhaust. They REALLY help my 350 Z when I had one a few yrs ago. For info see motordyne engineering. HUGE gains, for an exhaust and tune vs all other exhaust. Power bomb headers have something good happening with their headers, I've read as well.

[Wolftrax]

That FMF silencer is not loud at all. :) It is U.S.F.S. approved for noise levels as well as spark suppression. It is easy to mount, easy to repack, very rugged, and inexpensive. I love it. :tup:
Did I read somewhere that it only weighs 2.2 lbs. Does that sound about right?

[SpudRider]

Did I read somewhere that it only weighs 2.2 lbs. Does that sound about right?

The FMF website lists the Universal Spark Arrestor with a weight of 2.9 pounds, and I'm sure that includes the midpipe and all mounting hardware. :tup:

http://www.fmfracing.com/Products/MX/651

This silencer is a straight-through exhaust, without any baffles whatsoever. It is constructed very solidly, and it is very easy to mount. It is also very easy to repack, and after you repack it with 4-stroke packing material, it lasts a very long time before you need to repack it again. :)

This silencer breathes very well, and makes good power. The TurbineCore spark arrestor is maintenance free, and the silencer meets U.S.F.S. standards for sound suppression. With a price slightly over $100, delivered, it is an excellent value. :tup:

I'm sure this FMF silencer can be mounted easily by using a small section of the stock muffler's midpipe. However, it will be nicer if the system mounts solely with the supplied, stainless steel midpipe. This is the mounting method I used with my Zongshen Sierra (ZS200GY-2).

http://www.fmfracing.com/ImageHandler.ashx?itemid=020303&catid=651&h=370&w=460&1.jpg

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/2012%20Rides/June/ZongScout088.jpg

[G19Tony]

I'm proud of my Zongsen Sierra (ZS200GY-2), and I always correct people when they mistake it for a KTM. I could easily rebadge the Zong as a KTM, but I proudly keep the Zongshen markings on the right crankcase cover, and the saddle. :)

One could put BMW stickers on the Zongshen RX3, and it would easily pass for a Beemer. ;) However, I am happy to ride Zongshen motorcycles, and I will continue to correct anyone who mistakes my RX3 for a BMW, or any other make of motorcycle. :)

I was at the BMW shop with my F800GT for service, and I told one of the guys about the RX-3. They are very interested in seeing it. :)

[thillskier]

Gains are good (over 1 hp dynoed on the 250 Wrr Yamaha).
As the bore stroke on ours and the Wrr match, should be similar gains I'd expect. Anyone know anyone doing helmholtz apps on thumpers?
Should be easier I'd think. Less complication than multicyl bikes.

It quiets an open pipe, a good thing all around. Ferrari cars use them I found out F1 and street, apparently. The Z and G pipes make them have the bark similar to Ferrari, forum users say, and great power increases. I may try to build one with a sliding second piece to adjust to see if I can find a sweet spot for size/length, weld, and make some for friends, if interest and they dyno out good. That FMF muffler soounds GREAT too spud, weight and cost. ANy dyno's for whp gains anywhere to link? If our muffler is typical 10+lbs for Jap bikes, maybe even heavier since China bike, that could start to help weight loss wise.

[Wolftrax]

Gains are good (over 1 hp dynoed on the 250 Wrr Yamaha).
As the bore stroke on ours and the Wrr match, should be similar gains I'd expect. Anyone know anyone doing helmholtz apps on thumpers?
Should be easier I'd think. Less complication than multicyl bikes.

It quiets an open pipe, a good thing all around. Ferrari cars use them I found out F1 and street, apparently. The Z and G pipes make them have the bark similar to Ferrari, forum users say, and great power increases. I may try to build one with a sliding second piece to adjust to see if I can find a sweet spot for size/length, weld, and make some for friends, if interest and they dyno out good. That FMF muffler soounds GREAT too spud, weight and cost. ANy dyno's for whp gains anywhere to link? If our muffler is typical 10+lbs for Jap bikes, maybe even heavier since China bike, that could start to help weight loss wise.

I have the powerbomb on my CRF and to be honest with you I couldn't tell any seat of the pants difference between the stocker and the powerbomb. The Powerkore muffler alone did show some improvement but things really livened up when I hooked in the EJK, intalled a unifilter and removed the snorkel, the difference is quite remarkable.
If I had to do it all over again I would probably save a few bucks and not instal the "powerbomb" header

[Wolftrax]

Looks like this one would work as well

http://www.fmfracing.com/Products/MX/614

[SpudRider]

Looks like this one would work as well.

Yes, that silencer should fit. However, it costs $100 more, weighs 1.8 pounds more, and doesn't include the stainless steel midpipe. ;)

[SpudRider]

I was at the BMW shop with my F800GT for service, and I told one of the guys about the RX-3. They are very interested in seeing it. :)

Please do report their reactions after they see the RX3, Tony. :)

It might be fun to put a pair of BMW stickers on the RX3, even for a short while. I'm sure they would be great conversation starters. ;)

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7328/16419035942_37b03ba6e7_c.jpg

[rjmorel]

What does the "piston spray hole" do that is mentioned on the first page in the add in post #3 ? thanks, rj

[katflap]

Well it arrived :clap:
and I am loving this bike :yay:

Its just as well I wear a full face helmet so I could hide the ridiculous grin on my face when I went for my first ride :D

I haven't had much time to get out on it yet but here is a quick pic . I will try and do some more interesting ones in the future

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k70/morco46/009b_zps0645fa93.jpg (http://s85.photobucket.com/user/morco46/media/009b_zps0645fa93.jpg.html)

A few points so far

(As you may remember I have upgraded from a 125cc , also my RX3 is standard model without the upgrades you guys are getting.)

Pros
-----
the ride is great, no nasty surprises, solid on the road without feeling heavy even when stationary the extra 50kg really isn't that noticeable.

Nice riding position

The wind screen works well keeping the wind off but i'm sure taller riders will benefit from the bigger screen.

Keeping up with traffic is a breeze, it quickly makes progress when needed

Cons ( im being picky here )
--------------------------------------

The speedo does seem to read high ( I will get my gps on it soon and compare )

The front brake lever pulls in quite tight to the handle bar throttle grip .Though not a problem for me, some riders with big hands or a different grasp of break lever and throttle might get their fingers caught.

Notes
---------

Getting in to neutral at stops e.g. traffic lights -

No different from a lot of other bikes , a quick blip of the throttle, let the clutch out a bit and it slips in to neutral nicely.

Steering lock -

turn off ignition , push key down , let it come back up then turn to the left.

this had me foxed for a while because on my Suzuki you have to push the key down and turn to the left while keeping it pushed down !

[SpudRider]

Thanks for posting the photo and initial impressions of your Honley 250. :tup: We eagerly await further updates as you ride more miles on your new motorcycle. :)

The operation of the ignition lock for the RX3 is the same as with the Yamaha TW200, and my Zongshen ZS200GY-2. I suspect many, if not all, Yamaha ignition locks operate the same way. ;)

[SpudRider]

I think the orange bike photographs very well under all light conditions. The RX3 really is a good looking motorcycle. When you have time, please do post more photographs of your bike in its native habitat. :)

[SpudRider]

I just completed another telephone conversation with Alison at Dobeck Performance. She informed me that Matt, the head technician at Dobeck, has received my inquiry regarding the development of an EJK controller for the Zongshen RX3. Matt is currently involved in several other projects, but I was assured he will contact me later this week, or early next week regarding the company's possible interest in this project.

Although the domestic market for this controller is currently small, both the domestic and international market for such a device will certainly grow. I hope Dobeck is willing to take on the project. ;)

[katflap]

Just me being a twat with ignition lock then :doh: :hehe:

Im trying not to write what's been said a thousand times already but the build is good and solid and the finish is great too in the flesh .

will definitely report back when I have done a few more miles and the tyres, brakes and engine have all bedded in a bit. :)

[SpudRider]

Just me being a twat with ignition lock then :doh: :hehe:

Im trying not to write what's been said a thousand times already but the build is good and solid and the finish is great too in the flesh .

will definitely report back when I have done a few more miles and the tyres, brakes and engine have all bedded in a bit. :)

You will quickly get accustomed to the operation of the ignition lock. ;) The ignition lock on my Honda XR650L operates in the same manner as your Suzuki ignition lock. However, I prefer the operation of the Yamaha ignition lock of my Zongshen Sierra over the Honda/Suzuki system. :)

Don't worry about repeating information; we are eager to hear everything you have to say about your new motorcycle. Please don't hesitate to post your impressions, and lots of photographs. :tup:

[thillskier]

I'm jealous!

[jimjr21]

What does the "piston spray hole" do that is mentioned on the first page in the add in post #3 ? thanks, rj

This is a part of the oiling system that pumps oil to the underside of the piston. It does two things
1) adds lubrication to upper end bearing and cylinder walls through bleed holes in the oil scraper ring land
2) cools piston with oil

[thillskier]

A VERY long lived and tough engine, amenable to mods, even crazy mods, like turbo's.:clap:
EFI, ELK, and the WR250R turbo kit, (with a piston squiter) would be FUN:)

[thillskier]

ELK means EJK (e jet kit).last post. sorry
The extra oil does many things, all good in a highly stressed engine design. My Opinion? "overhead" many things to many people. Of note, The delphi ecu is easiest to decipher and make "EJK'S". (with experience tuning their ecu's that is.) That motor is a BSH, or Brick house built to last, no matter the owners choices for HIS motorcycle.
(IF he does maintainance, of course). No oil changes, spotty valve checks, etc, will sideline, probably many miles after purchase, anyone:).

[jimjr21]

A VERY long lived and tough engine, amenable to mods, even crazy mods, like turbo's.:clap:
EFI, ELK, and the WR250R turbo kit, (with a piston squiter) would be FUN:)

Methanol-water injection with super turbo charging. :yay:

Or we can just go to 25% nitromethane! >:(

[Wolftrax]

Just me being a twat with ignition lock then :doh: :hehe:

Im trying not to write what's been said a thousand times already but the build is good and solid and the finish is great too in the flesh .

will definitely report back when I have done a few more miles and the tyres, brakes and engine have all bedded in a bit. :)

Nice looking bike Kat and great color:D. As Spud said let us have everything and whatever you might want to share. There are very few first hand reports in English so i anxiously await your experiences.:yay:

[Weldangrind]

It might be fun to put a pair of BMW stickers on the RX3, even for a short while. I'm sure they would be great conversation starters. ;)

Sacrilege!

:hehe:

[Weldangrind]

Well it arrived :clap:
and I am loving this bike :yay:

So envious! Congrats on your new bike. :D

Do you think the brake fluid has air in it? Perhaps it's worth bleeding the front brake to see if the lever doesn't hit the grip.

I'm with Spud; I bet that most Yamaha steering locks are like that. My old XS650S was the same.

[Weldangrind]

Or we can just go to 25% nitromethane! >:(

I love the smell of Nitro in the morning! :D

[SpudRider]

I love the smell of Nitro in the morning! :D

It smells like...victory. :tup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSnxevpSflM

[thillskier]

We are all anxious to see and hear your experience(s) with your new beauty! Definitely makes me want mine that much more:)!! Patience tho, for me. Gotta get better and it needs to WARM UP some:) (A LOT, really:)!

[rjmorel]

katflap, was wondering to how the RX3 feels with a full tank of gas as far as being top heavy? If I tip it over will I be able to pick it up if by myself (I'm a little fella) on the back side of civilization? Thinking of if it just tips over in a parking lot, how easy is it to get it back up? Been riding Versys and NC700x so I've got tip overs scratched of the "bucket list" but you never know. Thanks, rj

[G19Tony]

Well it arrived :clap:
and I am loving this bike :yay:

Its just as well I wear a full face helmet so I could hide the ridiculous grin on my face when I went for my first ride :D

I haven't had much time to get out on it yet but here is a quick pic . I will try and do some more interesting ones in the future

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k70/morco46/009b_zps0645fa93.jpg (http://s85.photobucket.com/user/morco46/media/009b_zps0645fa93.jpg.html)

A few points so far

(As you may remember I have upgraded from a 125cc , also my RX3 is standard model without the upgrades you guys are getting.)

Pros
-----
the ride is great, no nasty surprises, solid on the road without feeling heavy even when stationary the extra 50kg really isn't that noticeable.

Nice riding position

The wind screen works well keeping the wind off but i'm sure taller riders will benefit from the bigger screen.

Keeping up with traffic is a breeze, it quickly makes progress when needed

Cons ( im being picky here )
--------------------------------------

The speedo does seem to read high ( I will get my gps on it soon and compare )

The front brake lever pulls in quite tight to the handle bar throttle grip .Though not a problem for me, some riders with big hands or a different grasp of break lever and throttle might get their fingers caught.

Notes
---------

Getting in to neutral at stops e.g. traffic lights -

No different from a lot of other bikes , a quick blip of the throttle, let the clutch out a bit and it slips in to neutral nicely.

Steering lock -

turn off ignition , push key down , let it come back up then turn to the left.

this had me foxed for a while because on my Suzuki you have to push the key down and turn to the left while keeping it pushed down !

Congrats on getting your bike, Katflap. :tup: Could you tell us, please, what size spanners we need to remove the wheels? I'm getting my tool kit set up. Thanks!

[katflap]

Out for a quick ride today passing through Cheddar Gorge ( where Cheddar cheese first came from ). Some good bends to negotiate .The bike handled these without problem at a nice pace . No peg grinding here ! have to keep an eye out for sheep on the road.:ohno:

Turns out i cant take photos for shit , they will get better !
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k70/morco46/004-Copy_zps54608def.jpg (http://s85.photobucket.com/user/morco46/media/004-Copy_zps54608def.jpg.html)

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k70/morco46/006-Copy_zps70fd6de3.jpg (http://s85.photobucket.com/user/morco46/media/006-Copy_zps70fd6de3.jpg.html)

THe arrow points to Glastonbury Tor, historic place linked to the myths of King Arthur . will take a closer look some time in the future.

rode with gps and the speedo seems to be reading about 10 mph higher than gps speed :hmm:

@ Weldangrind --
I guess there could be a bit of air in the brake but the lever doesnt "pump up" like a car foot brake does when theres air in the system .The lever doesnt hit the grip but gets quite close nearing the end of the lever when hard braking. I tend to grip the throttle with my thumb and index finger with my other fingers on the brake lever so not a problem.
If it turns out theres no air in the system then perhaps an adjustable lever will be the solution for people who take a different grip on throttle and brake lever.

@ rjmorel --
ok ,,,, deep breath !,,,, i wasnt going to mention this but i have already dropped my bike :cry::cry::cry:>:>::doh::doh::cry::cry:>:(>:(:cry:

it envolved the retractable side stand ( UK, EU law if no side stand kill switch fitted ) its still to soon to go into detail about it :)

Im 5'8'', 150lb of wind and piss . I managed to pick the bike up with a bit of a struggle with a full tank .That said i was that pi**ed of with my self i probably could of flipped a car on to its roof.>:>:
side stand now modified ! :tup:

@ G19Tony ---
i will have to get back to you here with spanner sizes for wheels. :)

[jimjr21]

Easiest way to take a decent photo is having the light source behind you.

You had the sun in front so it put the entire bike in the shade and it washes out. The second image actually had direct light from the sun onto the lens so that is why you got the rainbow glare.

[SpudRider]

Out for a quick ride today passing through Cheddar Gorge ( where Cheddar cheese first came from ). Some good bends to negotiate .The bike handled these without problem at a nice pace . No peg grinding here ! have to keep an eye out for sheep on the road.:ohno: ...

...rode with gps and the speedo seems to be reading about 10 mph higher than gps speed :hmm: ...

Thanks for posting the nice photographs, and more of your initial impressions of the motorcycle. :)

Did you get a rear wheel with a cush hub? If you have time, please do take some measurements of the counter shaft sprocket, and the rear sprocket, if the bike has a cush hub. What is the number of teeth on each sprocket?

I would like to start some research to determine which sprockets from other motorcycles are compatible with the RX3. This is why I would love to get measurements similar to those shown below. ;)

http://www.jtsprockets.com/fileadmin/code/images/small/jtr811.jpg

http://www.jtsprockets.com/fileadmin/code/images/small/JTF432SC.jpg

P.S. I love cheddar cheese! :D

[Britster]

Zongshen Philippines Business Manager: 'Noah Sun', is the guy that helped make the 'Zonshen RX3' available through Motorstar in the Philippines.

It is a special version for the Philippines, as follows:-

1) Standard Carburettor, rather than Fuel Injection.
2) Top Box and Panniers included as standard
3) 12V Power and USB Socket fitted as standard
5) SRP PHP130,000, available from Motorstar 10th Ave., wef 1st December 2014,
6) 0% Financing with 50% Deposit, Balance over 12 months
7) Top 10 buyers of RX3 Xplorer Z250R will receive this limited edition jacket as freebie from Motorstar and as distributed by Zongzhen

Not currently available from Motorstar Branches in Cebu, Philippines.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/p640x640/10463619_1452373231696447_4681880702684321873_o.jp g


https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/p180x540/10690328_954897544537529_2056032279418733677_n.jpg ?oh=43c6bb96869065922d13e804df93dbcf&oe=554F234E

https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/p526x296/644389_10204595343996126_7390325541415977080_n.jpg ?oh=83af3fed5e11f4ad16070320fdd9ac73&oe=554B7A05

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10472691_754670377889322_8734555548461529984_n.jpg ?oh=2300f60b72a9f99a903f041092eb589b&oe=5557A553&__gda__=1431803279_4e0a85f7692eaa683ffaf414bba6ff6 3

https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10536918_759299470759746_2388745122161999936_n.jpg ?oh=c756dbe670d248b8d5ede09c22b5d3b6&oe=55681A4C

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10563013_759299734093053_7945958646482276358_n.jpg ?oh=e1c3c6d015a7e4c14d2481c9980786da&oe=5549F869&__gda__=1432072963_c66c5590c52b5efcd0d5f16d558f885 b

[Britster]

http://item.taobao.com/item.htmspm=a230r.1.14.21.MIHX9j&id=39036417026&ns=1&abbucket=2#detail
Considering the Zongshen RX3 (ZS250GY-3) NC250, sells on TaoBao:-
宗申RX3(ZS250GY-3) NC250 越野街车 个性摩托车 可店内上牌
价格 ¥19800.00
(with no Luggage Rack, Top Box, Panniers)

The SRP of PHP130,000 with 50% Deposit and Balance via 12 x Post Dated Checks,
CNY19,800.00 = 139,742.188 Philippine Peso, is pretty good price.
It might be Carb version rather than Fuel Injection (but less to go wrong and easier to troubleshoot and repair), but comes inclusive with Top Box and Panniers, and 12V and USB power outlets.

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.52.i44cN0&id=43387757007&ns=1&abbucket=2#detail

Perhaps this is inclusive of the luggage and 12V/USB Power outlets:-

http://gd1.alicdn.com/imgextra/i1/295786805/TB2nOJObFXXXXXyXpXXXXXXXXXX-295786805.jpg

Price is CNY21,800 which would be PHP153,821.859

[SpudRider]

Thanks for posting the information. :) Have the RX3 motorcycles been delivered to the Philippines? Have you bought an RX3?

[3banger]

Hey Katflap, sorry to hear about the tip over on such a new bike; I've been there it sucks. I've actually droped and crashed every motorcycle I've ever owned and I don't expect it to be any diffrent with this one. So how did it hold up to the little tip over? Any damage? How did all the crash protection fair?

[Weldangrind]

Im 5'8'', 150lb of wind and piss .

Great line! :lmao:

Should there be another unfortunate drop in the future, I recommend that you consider this lifting procedure:

Stand facing away from the seat, with your heels against it. Crouch down, find a place to grab with both hands and lift with your legs. If the bike fell on the right side, pop the kickstand down first, so the bike has something to land on.

If the bike fell on the left side, be careful to not push it over.

[Britster]

Thanks for posting the information. :)
Have the RX3 motorcycles been delivered to the Philippines? Have you bought an RX3?

Spud, there was advanced orders the 1st 50 off RX3.
These were then available from Motorstar Branch on 10th Ave in Manila, I believe.
The price is PHP130,000 (USD2,496)with 50% Deposit and Balance via 12 x Post Dated Checks,

I was working in China (Changsha, Hunan), so I could not place an order. No deliveries to Cebu by Motorstar (which is where I live and here currently for Spring Festival break)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/zonshen.motard/996627250366110

https://www.facebook.com/groups/730916903631862/

[SpudRider]

Spud, there was advanced orders the 1st 50 off RX3.
These were then available from Motorstar Branch on 10th Ave in Manila, I believe.
The price is PHP130,000 (USD2,496)with 50% Deposit and Balance via 12 x Post Dated Checks,

I was working in China (Changsha, Hunan), so I could not place an order. No deliveries to Cebu by Motorstar (which is where I live and here currently for Spring Festival break)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/zonshen.motard/996627250366110

https://www.facebook.com/groups/730916903631862/

Motostar offered a good deal. :) Will the price rise for future orders? Do you plan to remain in Cebu? If so, do you plan to order an RX3?

[NoVa Rider]

Katflap pointed out that in the UK, the RX-3 is equipped with a spring loaded sidestand, since it does not have a sidestand kill switch.

Does anyone know what CSC's bikes will be equipped with? I think the US also requires some kind of system to prevent riding off with sidestand down.

[SpudRider]

My Honda XR650L has a safety switch on the side stand, but my Zongshen ZS200GY-2 does not. I can't recall seeing a safety switch on the side stand in any photographs of the Zongshen RX3.

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/gear%20shifter%20foot%20peg%20side%20stand_zps6bca 1bu1.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/gear%20shifter%20foot%20peg%20side%20stand_zps6bca 1bu1.jpg.html)

I don't believe this safety switch is mandatory in the United States. I have read this switch is mandatory in Canada, but I haven't verified that information. ;)

[Weldangrind]

I've never heard of a mandatory kickstand safety switch in Canada. Doesn't mean it isn't so, but it would be news to me.

[katflap]

@ G19Tony -----Spanner sizes –

Rear axle21mm both sides, alignment adjusters 13mm
Front axle 19mm one side. The other side, protruding round shaft with aprox 8mm hole through the diameter held tight by 2 x 10mm fork pinch bolts. :)

@ jimjr21 -----

I will remember your photographic tip for the future, thanks. :thanks:
It was a shame because there really was a fantastic view from there.

@ SpudRider ----
My bike came without the cush hub which would have been a nice addition .That said I’m not finding it uncomfortably snatchy

The rear sprocket seems to match the JTR 897 – 44 but no good for the cush hub version but this link shows that it’s still using a 44 tooth sprocket
http://2.taobao.com/item.htm?id=43664671492&spm=a230r.1.14.279.wdjGJj&ns=1&abbucket=8#detail (http://2.taobao.com/item.htm?id=43664671492&spm=a230r.1.14.279.wdjGJj&ns=1&abbucket=8#detail)
The front sprocket has 14 teeth with a flange on the inner side. It is secured to the shaft with a bolt and lock washer. The outer side has a hole to one side of the bolt where a small tongue from the lock washer fits in to. The lock washer has a tab that is bent up against one of the bolts flat edges to hold it in place. Im sure you know the sort of thing it is.
Sorry I can’t give you shaft and spline details at the moment but I want to make sure I can get a replacement lock washer before I start taking it a part. :)
I will re check the teeth number and get back to you because this link shows the front sprocket having 13 teeth. :hmm:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c.w4002-7242439086.119.ZmWXGG&id=39099439130 (http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c.w4002-7242439086.119.ZmWXGG&id=39099439130)

@ 3banger ---
Thanks for the morale booster; :thanks: I will try not to make dropping the bike a regular thing.
The bike had a soft landing because I was pretty much underneath it!
But the screen broke when it hit my rubbish wheelie bin. It’s now back on the bike but looks bloody awful where I have glued it back together. A new one is on order!

@ Weldangrind -----
I will definitely take your advice on lifting the bike in the future. :thanks:I’ve already got a dodgey back and shoulder from years of bad lifting! :doh:

[katflap]

A little bit of info.

Top box & large pannier inside measurements w = 38cm, L = 28cm, Depth including lid recess 19cm
Smaller pannier is the same but the depth is reduced to 8cm * for a good 50% of it.
(* I think 8cm is correct struggling to read my own hand writing)

Oil filter
100mm long (metal to metal) with a diameter of 30mm
One end at the centre seems to have a ball bearing and spring style pressure relief valve.
The other end has a glued rubber washer diameter of 25mm, thickness 2mm and hole in the centre of 8 or 9 mm.

Download - circuit diagram including EFI in English
https://mega.co.nz/#!40pADJjZ!1wOenhh9h9QCaSRghWwUlhx_MmcUInDCnSTmBts 4VQE (https://mega.co.nz/#!40pADJjZ!1wOenhh9h9QCaSRghWwUlhx_MmcUInDCnSTmBts 4VQE)

If your bikes do come with a retracting side stand it’s quite easy to modify if you want to. Im thinking of rigging up a switch and buzzer to let me know when it’s still down!

[SpudRider]

I've never heard of a mandatory kickstand safety switch in Canada. Doesn't mean it isn't so, but it would be news to me.

Thanks for letting us know. :) I only read that misinformation in one thread at another website, so I wasn't ready to accept it. :wtf: You certainly can't believe everything you read on the internet. ;)

[SpudRider]

...The front sprocket has 14 teeth with a flange on the inner side. It is secured to the shaft with a bolt and lock washer. The outer side has a hole to one side of the bolt where a small tongue from the lock washer fits in to. The lock washer has a tab that is bent up against one of the bolts flat edges to hold it in place. Im sure you know the sort of thing it is.

Sorry I can’t give you shaft and spline details at the moment but I want to make sure I can get a replacement lock washer before I start taking it a part...

Thanks for checking, and posting the information. :) If you counted 14 teeth, I'm sure you are correct. It's nice to know a 13T, counter shaft sprocket is available on Taobao. I'm sure I will want to gear down the sprocket ratio to accommodate the 17-inch rear wheel on the CSC version of the RX3. ;)

[SpudRider]

A little bit of info.

Top box & large pannier inside measurements w = 38cm, L = 28cm, Depth including lid recess 19cm
Smaller pannier is the same but the depth is reduced to 8cm * for a good 50% of it.
(* I think 8cm is correct struggling to read my own hand writing)

Oil filter
100mm long (metal to metal) with a diameter of 30mm
One end at the centre seems to have a ball bearing and spring style pressure relief valve.
The other end has a glued rubber washer diameter of 25mm, thickness 2mm and hole in the centre of 8 or 9 mm.

Download - circuit diagram including EFI in English
https://mega.co.nz/#!40pADJjZ!1wOenhh9h9QCaSRghWwUlhx_MmcUInDCnSTmBts 4VQE (https://mega.co.nz/#!40pADJjZ!1wOenhh9h9QCaSRghWwUlhx_MmcUInDCnSTmBts 4VQE)

If your bikes do come with a retracting side stand it’s quite easy to modify if you want to. Im thinking of rigging up a switch and buzzer to let me know when it’s still down!

Thanks for taking the time to measure, and post the good information. :tup:

[katflap]

Yep, it was 14 teeth
Here is a pic so you can see the set up.
Shows my side stand too.
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k70/morco46/Sprocketandstand_zps9093ea2a.jpg (http://s85.photobucket.com/user/morco46/media/Sprocketandstand_zps9093ea2a.jpg.html)

Originally before I cut it off there was a 1 inch, non threaded portion that was part of the pivot bolt. The kidney shaped bit of pressed steel was the other way around (dished side towards the bike) .The indent part on its side making contact with this non threaded bit of the bolt but on the right hand side when the stand was down.
I probably could have just turned the bolt around rather than cutting it. Too late now! :doh:
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k70/morco46/AirBox_zps72670eea.jpg (http://s85.photobucket.com/user/morco46/media/AirBox_zps72670eea.jpg.html)
The arrow is pointing towards the air box intake; at the right angle you can see the sponge filter element. To the right of this is a line of 3 bolt holes where the seat attached. From there to the right under the pillion seat was a plastic panel. The Delphi unit etc. Is what you see under that.
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k70/morco46/Shock_zps04370836.jpg (http://s85.photobucket.com/user/morco46/media/Shock_zps04370836.jpg.html)

Plenty of thread here for adjustment , above and below the end of the spring.
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k70/morco46/battery_zpsaf8f3dcf.jpg (http://s85.photobucket.com/user/morco46/media/battery_zpsaf8f3dcf.jpg.html)

Battery YTZ12S-BS 12V 11ah

[3banger]

Wow, thanks katflap! There is not single thing in any of these "under the hood" photos that looks in anyway cheap.

[thillskier]

Unreal $ for hp IMHOThe underseat layout is VERY unusually well thought out and done, IMHO, even vs Jap and other quality motorcycles, IMHO.
Easy to find and identify all parts (for ease of owner maintainance and servicing.) This is really starting to make me think this IS the "breakthrough" bike from China! Though Spud, and others probably think they already have them (the 200's:)! This bike, is currect, even cutting edge in some areas, and user friendly for mods also, unlike some other bikes.
If we get the fueling (EJK) or similar, I am pretty sure I'm going to turbo mine. Probably start with 5-6 lbs boost, no ICooler etc. Then go from there. The MPFab Yamaha Wr250 kit has proven VERY durable, and extremely powerfull, as well, on those motorcycles. The weight addition is minimal as a % of total weight, but doubling almost the tq and HP while improving fuel economy (if not boosting, of course) REALLY appeals to me. The improved atomization and air fuel mixing yields the better economy. I'm on a forum where quite a few members and 1st gen Insight owners turboed their cars, with very good results. The fuel additions were done without ANY ecu tuning, and vary from crude to non effictive, IMHO, but so far proven very reliable. The Only failure was a holed piston after over 250,000 miles (right, 1/4 million miles), and only had an additional injector that fired under boost (maybe not always, after those miles, causing lean failure)?
ANyway, I got no issue with a piston every 100,000 miles or so, and I will tune mine thoroughly, also. The Insight has not got squirters, which would most likely pulled enough heat from the piston to keep it from melting, IMHO.

MPFab does the Wrr kit. I will attempt a group buy when I get ready to do the install, and document it on here as well. Anyone interested?
Link to MPFab kit is here (for Wrr250).

http://www.mpfab.com/product/mpfab-stg2-turbo-kit-yamaha-wr250xr/ Cost, all up, is $2050.00, now.
Unreal cost to hp ratio..best of anything, IMHO. ALso reliable if done as recommended. A big bore kit will possibly throw off engine balancer, and has to be tuned as well, costing the same or more, for less gains, probably.
Just my 2cents:)...

[thillskier]

Due to spotty sales on the (since 2008) wr250 kit, he may do a GB, maybe not, but wants to check the bike out and agreed to do one for my bike. (I've bugged him about a wr250 kit re details etc since I started looking at them a couple yrs ago).
He liked the piston squirter being on it already as well, for boost upgrade possibilities later on.
He says the turbo car parts sell better and more consistantly, why he is kinda drifting away from the motorcycles a bit. He rides a turbo wr250, though, and is interested in the RX-3 as well. I sure hope he gets REALLY liking it when he reads up on it via my link i sent him to CSC and here:).

[SpudRider]

Katflap,

Thanks for posting the excellent photographs. :) Did you have much difficulty removing the saddle to access the air filter element?

It appears the plastic side covers are painted, and the color is not molded into the plastic. Is this correct?

[thillskier]

Re Spud Q. Is there a latch, or do you have to unscrew the seat for access?
Thanks!

[SpudRider]

...Download - circuit diagram including EFI in English
https://mega.co.nz/#!40pADJjZ!1wOenhh9h9QCaSRghWwUlhx_MmcUInDCnSTmBts 4VQE (https://mega.co.nz/#!40pADJjZ!1wOenhh9h9QCaSRghWwUlhx_MmcUInDCnSTmBts 4VQE)...

Once again, thank you for posting the link to the RX3 wiring diagram. :tup: I am adding this link under the Manuals subheading of the RX3 Sticky thread, which is pinned to the top of this Dual Sport Forum. :)

http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=14228

[SpudRider]

The Zongshen RX3 will be my first motorcycle with electronic fuel injection (EFI). Looking at the wiring diagram, it appears the Delphi MT05 ECU (engine control unit) incorporates the equivalent of a DC-CDI unit, since I don't see a source/charging coil on the bike's stator. The following photograph seems to verify this conclusion.

http://img01.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i1/751652787/TB2aze2XVXXXXcXXXXXXXXXXXXX_!!751652787.png

[katflap]

@ 3banger --

yeah it does all seem very sturdy and of good quality , nothing shabby here !

@ SpudRider & thillskier --

In the side panel on the left hand side there is a key lock which operates a latch to release the pillion seat . you probably know this already.
you can see the cable operated latch just to the left of the 2 large allen bolts in the picture.
The pillion seat slides up and out. you can then see a bracket. This bracket is secured to 2 of 3 bolt holes that i mentioned in my earlier post that are next to the air filter box by 8mm bolts . There is like a plastic tongue on the front of the pillion seat that slides under this bracket keeping it in position.

The riders seat is removed by un screwing these 2 bracket bolts . The bolts also go through the back seat fixing .
The seat lifts up ,sliding the front plastic tongue from under a slot under the tank and away ! so all pretty easy.


spud
you have caught me out on your other questions :hmm: i wasnt paying enough attention when i took the seats off .:)
it looked like to actually change or clean the air filter element the whole air box might have to come out as you can see in the picture there is a centre seem running vertically which might be the only way to get to the element.
regarding the side covers i agree they are not orange on the inside . however the orange covering looks very good.

I will have to get back to you on these 2 questions with hopefully better answers

To access the battery was behind a black plastic strip held by 3 screws. the strip is solid black in colour and quite flexible , unlikley to crack i think . this strip should be able to be removed with the seats on.
The orange side panels are less flexible so would probably crack at the fixings if they got a beating !

[katflap]

Once again, thank you for posting the link to the RX3 wiring diagram. :tup: I am adding this link under the Manuals subheading of the RX3 Sticky thread, which is pinned to the top of this Dual Sport Forum. :)

http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=14228

No problem Spud I will try and keep the info coming best I can . :) :tup:

[SpudRider]

...spud

you have caught me out on your other questions :hmm: i wasnt paying enough attention when i took the seats off .:)
it looked like to actually change or clean the air filter element the whole air box might as you can see in the picture there is a centre seem running vertically which might be the only way to get to the element.
regarding the side covers i agree they are not orange on the inside . however the orange covering looks very good...

...The orange side panels are less flexible so would probably crack at the fixings if they got a beating !

If the orange side cover is blocking access, you might need to remove the left pannier before you can remove the side cover to access the foam air filter. Zongshen has recently modified the left side cover, and split it into two parts.

As with my Zongshen ZS200GY-2, the upper side covers are probably manufactured from ABS, instead of polypropylene. Since they are painted, they will probably fade in the sunlight. I repaint the upper side covers on my Zongshen Sierra every year or two for this reason. ;)

Please check the front fender and the rest of the plastic on your bike. All of the black plastic is probably polypropylene, which is good. The fuel tank is metal, so it won't present a problem. I'm hoping only the upper, rear side covers are manufactured from ABS. ;)

[katflap]

If the orange side cover is blocking access, you might need to remove the left pannier before you can remove the side cover to access the foam air filter. Zongshen has recently modified the left side cover, and split it into two parts.


Thanks, I will check this out and also the plastics . :)

Hope to find time to do this tomorrow . 11pm here now

[G19Tony]

@ G19Tony -----Spanner sizes –

Rear axle21mm both sides, alignment adjusters 13mm
Front axle 19mm one side. The other side, protruding round shaft with aprox 8mm hole through the diameter held tight by 2 x 10mm fork pinch bolts. :)

@ jimjr21 -----

I will remember your photographic tip for the future, thanks. :thanks:
It was a shame because there really was a fantastic view from there.

@ SpudRider ----
My bike came without the cush hub which would have been a nice addition .That said I’m not finding it uncomfortably snatchy

The rear sprocket seems to match the JTR 897 – 44 but no good for the cush hub version but this link shows that it’s still using a 44 tooth sprocket
http://2.taobao.com/item.htm?id=43664671492&spm=a230r.1.14.279.wdjGJj&ns=1&abbucket=8#detail (http://2.taobao.com/item.htm?id=43664671492&spm=a230r.1.14.279.wdjGJj&ns=1&abbucket=8#detail)
The front sprocket has 14 teeth with a flange on the inner side. It is secured to the shaft with a bolt and lock washer. The outer side has a hole to one side of the bolt where a small tongue from the lock washer fits in to. The lock washer has a tab that is bent up against one of the bolts flat edges to hold it in place. Im sure you know the sort of thing it is.
Sorry I can’t give you shaft and spline details at the moment but I want to make sure I can get a replacement lock washer before I start taking it a part. :)
I will re check the teeth number and get back to you because this link shows the front sprocket having 13 teeth. :hmm:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c.w4002-7242439086.119.ZmWXGG&id=39099439130 (http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c.w4002-7242439086.119.ZmWXGG&id=39099439130)

@ 3banger ---
Thanks for the morale booster; :thanks: I will try not to make dropping the bike a regular thing.
The bike had a soft landing because I was pretty much underneath it!
But the screen broke when it hit my rubbish wheelie bin. It’s now back on the bike but looks bloody awful where I have glued it back together. A new one is on order!

@ Weldangrind -----
I will definitely take your advice on lifting the bike in the future. :thanks:I’ve already got a dodgey back and shoulder from years of bad lifting! :doh:

Thanks for the spanner info, mate! :)

[SpudRider]

Thanks, I will check this out and also the plastics . :)

Hope to find time to do this tomorrow . 11pm here now

Thank you, Katflap. :) Please also check the colored, plastic, lower fork guards. I suspect they also might be painted ABS, instead of polypropylene. ;)

[Jibberwobble]

Out for a quick ride today passing through Cheddar Gorge ( where Cheddar cheese first came from ). Some good bends to negotiate .The bike handled these without problem at a nice pace . No peg grinding here ! have to keep an eye out for sheep on the road.:ohno:

Turns out i cant take photos for shit , they will get better !
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k70/morco46/004-Copy_zps54608def.jpg (http://s85.photobucket.com/user/morco46/media/004-Copy_zps54608def.jpg.html)



THe arrow points to Glastonbury Tor, historic place linked to the myths of King Arthur . will take a closer look some time in the future.



I've got to say that is indeed a wicked bike, really looks good. Glasto Tor is a nice walk and the gorge must be quite fun to ride :)

[Weldangrind]

Katflap, those are terrific pics. I'm quite impressed by the build quality of this bike, and I covet it.

[Weldangrind]

Unreal $ for hp IMHOThe underseat layout is VERY unusually well thought out and done, IMHO, even vs Jap and other quality motorcycles, IMHO.
Easy to find and identify all parts (for ease of owner maintainance and servicing.) This is really starting to make me think this IS the "breakthrough" bike from China! Though Spud, and others probably think they already have them (the 200's:)! This bike, is currect, even cutting edge in some areas, and user friendly for mods also, unlike some other bikes.
If we get the fueling (EJK) or similar, I am pretty sure I'm going to turbo mine. Probably start with 5-6 lbs boost, no ICooler etc. Then go from there. The MPFab Yamaha Wr250 kit has proven VERY durable, and extremely powerfull, as well, on those motorcycles. The weight addition is minimal as a % of total weight, but doubling almost the tq and HP while improving fuel economy (if not boosting, of course) REALLY appeals to me. The improved atomization and air fuel mixing yields the better economy. I'm on a forum where quite a few members and 1st gen Insight owners turboed their cars, with very good results. The fuel additions were done without ANY ecu tuning, and vary from crude to non effictive, IMHO, but so far proven very reliable. The Only failure was a holed piston after over 250,000 miles (right, 1/4 million miles), and only had an additional injector that fired under boost (maybe not always, after those miles, causing lean failure)?
ANyway, I got no issue with a piston every 100,000 miles or so, and I will tune mine thoroughly, also. The Insight has not got squirters, which would most likely pulled enough heat from the piston to keep it from melting, IMHO.

MPFab does the Wrr kit. I will attempt a group buy when I get ready to do the install, and document it on here as well. Anyone interested?
Link to MPFab kit is here (for Wrr250).

http://www.mpfab.com/product/mpfab-stg2-turbo-kit-yamaha-wr250xr/ Cost, all up, is $2050.00, now.
Unreal cost to hp ratio..best of anything, IMHO. ALso reliable if done as recommended. A big bore kit will possibly throw off engine balancer, and has to be tuned as well, costing the same or more, for less gains, probably.
Just my 2cents:)...

Boost always gets my attention, but something makes me want to leave a bike like this alone. I'd be all over boosting one if I bought two.

[SpudRider]

Katflap,

If you have time, and are so inclined, I would love to know the dimensions of the counter shaft (C/S) sprocket. ;)

You can loosen the locking tab by tapping it lightly with a hammer and chisel/screwdriver. Just widen the tab enough to loosen the bolt. ;) You might also need to loosen the rear axle to get enough slack in the drive chain to remove the C/S sprocket.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k70/morco46/Sprocketandstand_zps9093ea2a.jpg

If you have access to a caliper, or a machinist, you can obtain the following dimension of the C/S sprocket. :tup:

http://www.jtsprockets.com/fileadmin/code/images/large/jtf434.jpg

After you measure the C/S sprocket, you can re-install it on the counter shaft, and tighten the bolt. Then you can crimp the locking tab back in place with a pair of pliers. The locking washer has two tabs, and I'm sure you can re-use both of them several times. :)

Now is an excellent time for me to do some research, and determine a compatible C/S sprocket for the RX3. Once we find an identical C/S sprocket from a major manufacturer, we will have a larger variety of vendors and sprocket sizes from which to choose. :tup: Therefore, if you have the time and the inclination, I would truly love to know the dimensions of that C/S sprocket. ;)

[thillskier]

Kat, and Spud, Thanks for answering my Q re seat removal and associated Q's.
Weld, I understand completely:). I wanted a boosted M/C since the factory ones came out in the early 80's, BUT Don't want/need 100+mph 1st gear capability for street riding:)!! hehe CRAZY! IMHO!

40-50 whp in a 300-350 lbs bike seems PERFECT for adv riding:)! Also, doesn't wear or affect bike 99% of my time riding, as if not in boost, wear and every other one of the bikes capabilities are not affected.except a mild boost in MPG due to swirl being better as well as atomization improvedat cruise. A little less drag since at low throttle plate opening, is still SOME boost so piston doesn' drag as much at small throttle opening(s).

AT approx $2000.00, (it hopefully stays about at wr250 r kit pricing) best hp per $ spent, BY FAR!. (besides opening it up at airbox and exhaust,. etc.) There isn't any guaranteed pricing on a kit, yet, however. If he does a group buy, and or decides to sell kits, then I'd bet its the same $ or VERY close, to the wr250 kit he's sold since 2008 or 2009! He sold quite a few, though, and if it wasn't reliable, or was grenading engines, we'd be hearing about it, LOUD and clear! for sure!

After I put 20,000 + miles on mine with the turbo installed, (hopefully also, without any major issues) it definitely will silence SOME of the naysayers. (some just like to hear or see themselves, apparently. Logic and or truth isn't a part of the equation, for them, unfortunately;)!! hehe

Highest miles on a wr250 turbo is or rather was 48,000+ without a rebuild or any major issues. I'd be happy with that mileage on a rebuild, I think, with or wthout being turboed:)! What, maybe rings, a hone and or replate cylinder (is it lined or nikasil type liner)? anyone?, gasket set, prolly do the clutch plates when its apart. Inspect and mic the crankshaft bearings etc.

[thillskier]

$250.00? unless Nikasil needs a replate. I have yet to dissassemble a nikasil engine, so not sure about its lifespan and or expected lifetime.
I've heard of 250,000 miles and still spec'iing good, but haven't SEEN any thing myself.
One thing, though, thats good:). Like the bikes purchase pricing, parts SHOULD be approx the same as compared to other bikes parts pricing:)! Really great! Maybe 1/2 as much:)!:)
AGain, the piston squirters should eleminate wear or at least minimize it, and the Yamaha, DRZ' etc all last at least 90,000+ before needing a rebuild. From reports on ADV forum, the bikes usually are running perfectly, just from curiosity and to prepare for a long cross country, or epic length ride, insuring reliability when on the trip. Gaskets and ring packs are the only items being replaced.:clap:
One KTM rebuild needed crank bearings replaced at 120,000+ miles I read. Nikasil was good, piston reused, just rings, gaskets, and seal sand seats in head were done, as well as setting valve gap to new specs with proper shims. (we avoid shimming, of course,:) with our screw type adjusters:)!:tup:

[fishman10]

i was looking at the accessories listed on the csc blog,,,wow maybe im missing something ,,,,but $350 for a set of cree l.e.d, driving lights,,, hope thats not a sign of how the parts we need are going to be priced . ,,,i think these would work just fine,,i already placed an order ,http://www.ebay.com/itm/151434883274

[SpudRider]

Katflap,

The tray which holds the air filter element is held by four bolts. You must remove the bolts and slide the tray out under the frame in front of the regulator/rectifier.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k70/morco46/AirBox_zps72670eea.jpg

The air filter tray is blocked by the the two side covers on the left side of the bike. The front, black side cover, and the rear, colored side cover must be removed before you can remove the foam air filter. Your Honley has the older version of the colored side cover, which is pierced by a support for the luggage rack. Therefore, you must remove the bolt for that support before you can remove the entire, colored side cover.

Zongshen modified the colored side cover, and split it into two pieces. You can purchase this modified side cover at Taobao.

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.107.qVw1ym&id=42129715713&ns=1&abbucket=6#detail

http://img03.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i3/TB1anwiGFXXXXbCXXXXXXXXXXXX_!!0-item_pic.jpg

When the modified side cover is installed, you don't need to remove the bolt for the luggage rack, because you don't need to remove the entire, colored side cover. You merely remove the front portion of the side cover to gain access to the air filter tray. :)

The RX3 bikes imported by CSC to North America are being delivered with the improved, split side cover. :)

http://img02.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i2/TB1P9AdGFXXXXX9XFXXXXXXXXXX_!!0-item_pic.jpg

[SpudRider]

I like the way Zongshen continues to refine this motorcycle. :tup: Here are two photographs of the new headlight. :)

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/gold%20rx3%20front%20view%20reduced%20size_zpsi1je b7cp.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/gold%20rx3%20front%20view%20reduced%20size_zpsi1je b7cp.jpg.html)

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/gold%20rx3%20headlight%20windshield%20reduced%20si ze_zpsqqb6arnj.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/gold%20rx3%20headlight%20windshield%20reduced%20si ze_zpsqqb6arnj.jpg.html)

The bikes imported by CSC have the old headlight, but one can always replace it later, if he pleases. ;)

[SpudRider]

The dirt bikes with the NC250 engine come with a folding shift lever. :) Here is the stock shift lever for the RX3.

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/gear%20shifter%20foot%20peg%20side%20stand_zps6bca 1bu1.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/gear%20shifter%20foot%20peg%20side%20stand_zps6bca 1bu1.jpg.html)

Here is the folding shift lever. :tup:

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.215.mNSED4&id=41140565931&ns=1&abbucket=6#detail

http://img01.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i1/TB1hNmrFVXXXXcsaXXXXXXXXXXX_!!0-item_pic.jpg

[Weldangrind]

I like the way Zongshen continues to refine this motorcycle. :tup: Here are two photographs of the new headlight. :)

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/Zongshen%20RX3/gold%20rx3%20front%20view%20reduced%20size_zpsi1je b7cp.jpg (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/spudrider/media/Zongshen%20RX3/gold%20rx3%20front%20view%20reduced%20size_zpsi1je b7cp.jpg.html)



I think that's a Decepticon.